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The Hammer comes to Philly

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  • The Hammer comes to Philly

    In the "Are the Pacers tied for the best record" thread from a few weeks ago we also debated the quality of Philly's wins and the ease of their early schedule. At one point I posted the following...
    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
    And when you think about the Pacers sweet April, take a look at Philly.

    First off, they finish with FIVE STRAIGHT road games. Wow, that's fun. The Pacers didn't even have a 5 game road trip this season and only had 1 four game trip, while the Sixers started with a 4, have that 5 at the end of the year, and have another 4 game trip in FEB.


    They get FOUR (4) home games in April, one of which is the Pacers. They get 10 road games, including Indy, Miami, Boston and Orlando.

    March isn't too bad, 9 home vs 7 road, but 3 of the road games are Indy, Chicago and the Spurs.

    But look at the rest of FEB for them - 6 home games vs 8 road games. Okay not too bad. Who are those home games against anyway, just curious.

    Oh, nobody special, just...
    Miami
    Lakers
    Spurs
    Clippers
    Dallas
    OKC


    Seriously, that's insane. Not one bad team in the mix, and this coming off their victory at home vs Chicago.

    That's their HOME games, the ones when they aren't on the 3 and 4 game road trips, the ones when they aren't playing @ATL or @MEM or @HOU. They literally play every single elite team except Denver and Indy.


    Let's see just what that awesome home record looks like at the end of the month.
    So let's recap how this has gone so far for them starting with their final JAN game:

    *vs ORL (win by 5)
    vs CHI (win by 16...but no Rose)
    vs MIA (loss by 20)
    *@ ATL (win by 11)
    *vs LA (win by 5)

    And then reality started to catch up to them, despite still riding out lots of home games, due to the continued quality of opponents.

    vs SA (loss by 10)
    vs LAC (loss 1)

    Then they got what is close to the end of their breaks.

    @ CLE (win by 15)
    @ CHA (win by 9)

    And then back to NBA opponents instead

    @ ORL (loss by 16)
    vs DAL (loss by 7)
    @ MIN (loss by 1)
    @ MEM (loss by 13)

    And they go to Houston tomorrow night.

    After the AS break ends they continue on the road in Detroit, which isn't as bad coming out of the break. But then they get to go home and play OKC.


    And their March HOME games - CHI, BOS, UTH, MIA, NYK, BOS, ATL...their only "light" home games as GS and CLE.

    Road games aren't horrible, but they do go to NYK, Pacers, Spurs, and Chicago for the tougher games. This could put them sub-500 for all of FEB and then also all of March, and still heading into an April that is almost nothing but road games.


    The Hammer appears ready to stop hurting the Pacers and will now turn this mutha out on the Sixers W-L record. Sounds great to me.

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    Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

    Yeah Philly has a real fundamental problem with close games. Even compared to someone like us they have no real options to carry them late. Danny, West and Roy would each be their number one option.

    They thrive on beating an opponent early and blowing people out. If teams hang around though they don't have much luck. No playoff basketball imo, we'd be lucky to have a 4-5 matchup with them i'd feel good about moving on.
    Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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    • #3
      Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

      But look at the rest of FEB for them - 6 home games vs 8 road games. Okay not too bad. Who are those home games against anyway, just curious.

      Oh, nobody special, just...
      Miami
      Lakers
      Spurs
      Clippers
      Dallas
      OKC
      I wanted to address this one specifically.

      1-4 in their first 5 with OKC to come. Not so nice for the home record. Funny how all those double digit home wins stopped happening.

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      • #4
        Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

        I honestly feel like the Pacers schedule hasn't been as easy as everyone has made it out to be. It certainly hasn't been the toughest, but that stretch on the road was brutal despite who the opponents were.
        "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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        • #5
          Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

          When does Chicago get its hammer? It seems like they've had a easy @$$ schedule all year...
          Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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          • #6
            Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

            Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
            When does Chicago get its hammer? It seems like they've had a easy @$$ schedule all year...
            They did play 7 of their first 10 on the road, but I don't know if it even matters. I cannot stand the Bulls, but they are good. Their best player goes out, and they just keep rolling.
            "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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            • #7
              Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
              When does Chicago get its hammer? It seems like they've had a easy @$$ schedule all year...
              Chicago's schedule through the end of March:

              MIL
              NO
              @SA
              @CLE
              @PHI
              IND
              @MIL
              ORL
              UTA
              NYK
              MIA
              POR
              PHI
              @ORL
              @TOR
              TOR
              DEN
              @ATL
              DET

              Of those games Orlando, Utah, New York, Miami, Portland, Philly, and @Orlando is a pretty stretch.

              The start of April could also be pretty rough:

              @OKC
              HOU
              BOS
              @NYK
              NYK
              MIA

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              • #8
                Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                I think we need to worry about beating out Orlando. Who knows what will happen with Dwigjt but Philly will get home court as they are going to win their division unless something ridiculous happens. If Chicago and Miami take care of business (already streaks ahead) the final spot will be out of us, Orlando and Atlanta. Although it could matter if we can manage to have the better record than the sixers and go 3rd instead of 4th. But still, we still need to beat out the other 2 or we will be 5th regardless.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                  Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                  Yeah Philly has a real fundamental problem with close games. Even compared to someone like us they have no real options to carry them late. Danny, West and Roy would each be their number one option.

                  They thrive on beating an opponent early and blowing people out. If teams hang around though they don't have much luck. No playoff basketball imo, we'd be lucky to have a 4-5 matchup with them i'd feel good about moving on.
                  That's y I like these pacers, they grind out wins. A win is a win, they might do it the hard way but at the end of the day it makes them stronger in those situations
                  THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU HEAR MY VOICE , NEXT TIME YOU WILL SEE MY FACE

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                    Originally posted by AusPACER View Post
                    I think we need to worry about beating out Orlando. Who knows what will happen with Dwigjt but Philly will get home court as they are going to win their division unless something ridiculous happens. If Chicago and Miami take care of business (already streaks ahead) the final spot will be out of us, Orlando and Atlanta. Although it could matter if we can manage to have the better record than the sixers and go 3rd instead of 4th. But still, we still need to beat out the other 2 or we will be 5th regardless.
                    Division winners don't automatically get home court advantage
                    Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                      Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                      Division winners don't automatically get home court advantage
                      Yup, division winners automatically get a top 4 seed, but not necessarily home court. Home court goes to the team with the better record in any matchup.

                      http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                        This is a team we could possibly end up playing in the playoffs.. Two very solid up and coming teams. Play tough defense and are good rebounders. I respect them, but luckily, we are still a step ahead of them in terms of talent.

                        It's all about matchups.

                        DC = Jrue
                        PG > Meeks
                        Danny > Iggy
                        West = Brand
                        Hibbert > Hawes

                        Hill > Lou williams or Evan Turner

                        Kobe Jones < Young

                        Hans/Foster > Their backup bigs

                        I would love to face these guys, we are a lot alike. We are the slightly better team though.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                          My view is slightly different...

                          DC < Jrue
                          PG >> Meeks
                          Danny < Iggy
                          West > Brand
                          Hibbert > Hawes

                          Jrue and Iggy are playing better, but not better enough to overcome the pretty strong advantage we have a defensive SG, defensive C and scoring PF. Brand at one point was West like, and West often has low interest in defense, but right now West is 100% back to all-star level scoring ability out of the post.

                          He's stepping through double teams and killing fades with equal ease. He gives back a lot of what he gets, but not all of it and not to the same "this demands attention" extent. On offense he's becoming unstoppable at times, while on defense he's just slightly hurting so that it can be overcome with other guys helping out.

                          George helping West with Brand = Pacers win (stop or TO)

                          Meeks helping Brand out with West = Pacers win (70% scoring rate from West, not including plays coming off of this if he passes)

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                            There's no question that D.C. is having a superior season to Holiday. He's passing the ball more, turning it over less, rebounding better, and he's been far more efficient a scorer than Holiday.

                            The obvious cop-out for the D.C. haters will be that he's terrible on defense, whereas Holiday is excellent.

                            Unfortunately for those people, the numbers (which are far more reliable than the lame, "wach da gamez!!1!" pseudo-argument) from 82games.com tell a different story: Holiday | Collison

                            Yes, according to the data, D.C. has even been better than Holiday on defense this season.

                            Anyway, I'd break it down like this:

                            Collison > Holiday (see above)

                            George > Meeks (George has been somewhat disappointing, but Meeks is one-dimensional)

                            Granger < Iguodala (Danny's bread-and-butter, scoring, has been underwhelming, whereas Iggy remains Mr. All-Around Game)

                            West = Brand (Both washed-up ex-All-Stars. West is a little more well-rounded, while Brand is superior at the typical PF role [rebounding and blocking shots])

                            Hibbert > Hawes (Closer than people realize, as Hawes has been excellent on offense and the glass, but his defensive numbers are appalling, whereas Roy's are quite good.)

                            Starters-wise, I think we're clearly better. Where Philly kills us is with their bench.

                            I like George Hill as much as the next guy, but Lou Williams has been outstanding. If it weren't for James Harden, he'd probably be the front-runner for 6th Man of the Year. He leads Philly in scoring despite being just sixth in minutes (26.3), and is third in assists. He also has a 3.5:1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and gets to the line a ton.

                            Also, Thad Young continues to be one of the best backups and most underrated players in the league. He's been far better than his Pacers counterpart, Tyler Hansbrough.
                            Last edited by Lance George; 02-22-2012, 12:48 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Hammer comes to Philly

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              My view is slightly different...

                              DC < Jrue
                              PG >> Meeks
                              Danny < Iggy
                              West > Brand
                              Hibbert > Hawes

                              Jrue and Iggy are playing better, but not better enough to overcome the pretty strong advantage we have a defensive SG, defensive C and scoring PF. Brand at one point was West like, and West often has low interest in defense, but right now West is 100% back to all-star level scoring ability out of the post.
                              I agree with your assessment. And I'd much rather have Jrue than DC.
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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