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    The Scuttle Is Heating Up: Chris Broussard of ESPN.com put out a couple of fun nuggets last night, so let’s get into them:

    Lakers And Beasley?: Broussard points to Michael Beasley as the player the Lakers and Wolves have talked about. Wolves’ sources have labeled Beasley as expendable since the draft when the team selected Derrick Williams with the second overall pick.

    Like most teams that draft a rookie when an incumbent is already on the roster, the Wolves wanted to give Derrick room to learn and grow before making a decision. They also wanted to provide a little competition for Beasley which has not sparked the 6’10 forward as the team expected.

    The Wolves did something similar with Ricky Rubio, not only did the Wolves not trade Luke Ridnour, wanting to keep him around as a safety net for Rubio. The team also signed J.J. Barea in the offseason.

    With Williams and Rubio playing and adjusting well, it’s believed that Ridnour and Beasley are the odd guys out.

    Both players could solve real problems for the Lakers, the questions is what would it cost LA to get both?

    The Lakers do hold a $8.9 million Traded Players exception, but could not acquire both players using that tool.

    Beasley is owed $6.2 million this season and due for a qualifying offer of $8.17 million this summer or he’ll become an unrestricted free agent.

    Ridnour is owed $3.68 million this year and has two more years on his deal worth $4 million and $4.32 million respectively.

    Point Guards: The Lakers have been linked to several point guards including free agent Gilbert Arenas and Cleveland’s Ramon Sessions.

    Broussard points to Sessions as a preferred target, suggesting that closer to the trade deadline he might be obtainable for just a draft pick.

    Arenas is an option now, and an inexpensive low-risk one at that. However according to Arenas, he’s not close to signing anything just yet.

    Gilbert spoke to Sam Amick of SI.com this week on a wide range of issues, including his workout with the Lakers.

    “I was actually training in New York,” explained Arenas “My agent, Dan Fegan, told me to come out and work out for the Lakers. My whole thing is, I don’t want to play for anybody until I’m finished rehabbing and finished doing what I need to do, so that’s not going to happen until at least All-Star break. So I decided, Well, I’ll just go out there and work out.

    “I’m just showing you what I have. You can either keep reading newspapers articles where they say I’m 40 pounds overweight and I lost a step — all the fantasy stuff people want to talk about because they’re going off my last year where I was basically mentally out of it. Or you can just see for yourself: This is what I am. A 6-foot-3 guard, 6-10 wingspan, still got his quickness, can still jump, still fast. I make shots, and that’s what I am. I’m not here to sell anything, but look, here’s what I am and then I’m going back home to my family.”

    Arenas underwent several rounds of Platelet Rich Plasma Therapy including injections in both knees and his hips and has been working on his game and his physical conditioning.

    Gilbert says he’ll look at his options more seriously after the All-Star break this weekend in Orlando.

    The Lakers are expected to do the same, not only with Arenas who still appears to be an option, but also in trade.

    The Cavaliers continue to say they are not looking to tear their team apart just yet, but it seems inevitable that Sessions or guard Daniel Gibson would be moved for future assets like draft picks or salary cap room.

    Gibson may be more valuable in trade because the final year of his contract is non-guaranteed. But that may also make him the more attractive player of the two to keep especially if the Cavs goal is to get cap space to sign new players.

    As things stand today the Cavs have $31 million in salary commitments next season including the $4.55 million Player Option on Sessions and the $4.79 million non-guaranteed option on Gibson.

    This one will be interesting to watch.

    Frustrations In Atlanta: First it was Tracy McGrady… now it seems Marvin Williams is unhappy with his role.

    Let’s be honest. If the Hawks could move Marvin Williams, they would. Marvin’s contract has been a bad deal for a while now and if the team could trade him even for little to nothing in return they would do it just to get the contract off the books.

    Williams has also been problematic with the coaching staff and been labeled something of a diva in Atlanta.

    So to be fair to Marvin who is reportedly unhappy and looking for an exit, if the Hawks could find a door to push Marvin out of, they’d likely do it yesterday.

    Marvin is a good guy and a reasonably good player, but he has never lived up to the huge five-year $40 million contract he signed in 2009.

    Marvin is owed $7.5 million this year and has two more years left on his deal worth $8.287 million next year, with a Early Termination Option worth $7.5 million in 2013-2014.

    That’s a tough deal to swallow for a guy that’s averaging 9.6 points and 5.4 rebounds per game and shooting a career low 42.6% from the field.

    The Raptors: There is no doubting that Raptors guard Jose Calderon has played himself back into the trade market. Last season the Raptors couldn’t get a serious offer for Calderon, now the line of teams that are interested in him is real and fruitful.

    The Raptors are where they should be with the talent they have collected… they are winning some games, but losing more than they win. The question is should the Raptors start selling off assets to remove long term money?

    Chris Broussard floated out Andre Bargnani in addition to Calderon, as players teams are calling about which shouldn’t be a surprise.

    Moving Bargnani would remove more than $41 million from the Raptors balance sheet over the next four years, as well as gaining $10 million more in cap space next summer.

    Prior to missing the last month with a calf injury, Andrea was playing extremely well, which begs the question of how good could he be next season with Jonas Valančiūnas, the Raptors draft pick this year and what’s looks to be another lottery pick next year?

    Trading Calderon and his final $10.5 million contract year and Bargnani would get the Raptors to just $21 million in salary commitments making them one of the top cap space teams next summer, but they would have little by way of proven players to build around.

    The Raptors are not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, but sitting on just nine wins, the odds of a second half surge is slim.

    Is it time to start selling off the assets… several NBA teams are trying to get Toronto to do just that.

    The NBA Trade Deadline is 23 days away, so as teams get ready for the All-Star Break, expect the conversation level to pick up as teams try and figure out who they are going to be for the second half of the season.

    Moving Rondo?: Gerry Callahan of the Boston Hearld brings up a great point on Boston’s Rajon Rondo.

    If the Celtics are going to have to move into rebuild mode, will Rondo sit idle and lose while the team restructures?

    As Callahan so accurately states:

    “Rondo has three years (and $36 million) left on his contract after this season, and even when things are going OK, he appears impatient, annoyed, petulant.”

    As good as a Rondo can be as a player, is he the guy that you want trot out to the media after losing a 10th game in 12 tries?

    The truth of the rebuilding cycle in the NBA is that when you have been to the top, you generally get at least one trip to the bottom at some point and with all of the Celtics’ core getting older by the second, wouldn’t it be smarter for the Celtics to deal Rondo and try to jump start the rebuild/retool?

    There is no doubting that Rondo is a chip the Celtics would cash and have explored cashing.

    So when you ask yourself ‘why would Boston consider moving him?’; keep in mind they may feel the same way about Rondo as Callahan does. Rondo might not have the temperament to go through rebuilding and that’s something the Celtics have to consider as the season carries on.

    The Celtics are currently sitting at 15-16 on the season which is good enough for eighth place in the East which would match them up in the post season with Miami if the standings hold true.

    The Celtics have 34 games remaining on the schedule, including 18 home games and 16 away games. Of the remaining games Boston will see 19 teams with a record above.500 and 24 teams from the East.

    There is no doubting that Boston has the talent and the fire power to shoot themselves into a better playoff seed, but at some point Boston is going to have to decide when they are going to be sellers and based on the frequency and variety of Rondo rumors, if the Celtics are out of the playoff picture come March 15th, circle Rondo as a name likely on the move.
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    While we may not see many trades occur before the week of the March 15 deadline, discussions are taking place in front offices throughout the league.

    Here's some of the scuttlebutt I've heard:

    The Lakers' front office knows Kobe Bryant is looking for it to improve the roster, and GM Mitch Kupchak has been working the phones. He's spoken to Minnesota about Michael Beasley, and sources say the Lakers are intrigued by the Timberwolves' small forward. The Lakers were actually in discussions with Minnesota about a potential trade for Beasley before the season started. If they would have been able to pull off the deal for Chris Paul, there is a good chance that a trade for Beasley would have followed.

    It's not clear what the Lakers would give Minnesota for Beasley (if indeed the talks get that far), but the Lakers could absorb Beasley into their $8.9 million trade exception while giving up a draft pick or cash. I'm told the teams have not spoken about Pau Gasol since the preseason. Minnesota is looking to move Beasley, who they feel has matured very little (if at all) since he's been there, according to sources. The Lakers believe they can handle a player like Beasley because of their winning culture and the leadership of Bryant.

    Of course, the Lakers need a point guard even more than a small forward. While they worked out Gilbert Arenas last week, they have not come to a decision on him. They want to see if they can get another point guard, such as Cleveland's Ramon Sessions, before making a play for Arenas. There's a good chance they can get Sessions for a first-round draft pick before the deadline, sources say. If they don't get Sessions or someone else, they may bring Arenas aboard.

    There are a few other PGs who could be available. While the Lakers would love to get Houston's Kyle Lowry, the Rockets plan to build around their vastly-improved point guard. But either of their two backups, Goran Dragic or Jonny Flynn, would be an improvement over what they currently have.

    Lots of teams are calling Toronto about Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani. The Raptors aren't likely to part with Bargnani, and if they move Calderon, they'll need to get a point guard in return. That would seem to make a trade for Calderon unlikely.

    Sources say Dallas is about ready to move on from the Roddy Beaubois experiment. The Mavericks have thought for years that the talented young Frenchman could be another Tony Parker, but he has not been able to master the move from shooting guard to point guard. Nor has he been able to fill the void left by J.J. Barea. If they don't move him before this year's deadline, he could be gone over the summer.

    The feeling among some in Atlanta is that the Hawks' rotation was thrown out of whack by the return of Kirk Hinrich. The Hawks started the season 13-5 but have gone just 6-8 since Hinrich returned from shoulder surgery. Though he's struggled this season, one would think Hinrich could help a club if made available.

    Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Marvin Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he'll have an increased role offensively. Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game, his lowest since his rookie season.

    They're frustrated in Portland too, and Raymond Felton said as much in a report last week. But Felton, who's averaging a career-low 10 points on 36 percent shooting, knows he's at least partly to blame as well. He recently had talks with the Blazers' coaching staff and the idea of bringing him off the bench to stir things up was broached. Felton would be amenable to that, but only as a short-term solution.

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    The more I read about Rondo makes me unsure If Id want him near the Pacers.

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    Crappy crop of possible deadliners...

    Rondo and Ridnour are the only 2 meantioned that interest me...

    And no talk of Kaman?

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    The more I read about Rondo makes me unsure If Id want him near the Pacers.
    But the more you watch him the more you think he'd be a perfect fit. He's obviously not without his warts but he's so good that you can get past them.
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    I'm not sure what his contract is looking like, but I wouldn't be completely opposed to adding Hinrich. I've always thought his game would be appreciated here in Indy.

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    Cuban says rookie Beaubois basically off limits for trade - Dallas Morning News
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    "I'm not going to trade him. There are maybe one or two guys in the league I'll trade him for. Other than that, he's pretty much untouchable. It'd have to be an incredible player. There are maybe one or two guys that we'd include him in [a trade for]. That's how highly we think of him."

    Roddy Beaubois is close to untradeable - Dallas Mavericks Blog - ESPN
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    DALLAS -- Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has a message for the Charlotte Bobcats or any other team with designs on prying Roddy Beaubois from Dallas in a deadline trade: The kid isn't available.

    "With a few exceptions," Cuban said prior to Saturday night's game against the Atlanta Hawks.

    Without naming names (insert Carmelo Anthony here), Cuban made it clear it would take a superstar-type player in return for Cuban to relinquish the one young, up-and-comer on the Mavs' roster (no offense to first-round pick Dominique Jones, but he's not in that category yet).

    Cuban reiterated his stance from about this time a year ago with the trade deadline just under a month away.

    Mavs ready to move on from Beaubois - ESPN
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    Sources say Dallas is about ready to move on from the Roddy Beaubois experiment. The Mavericks have thought for years that the talented young Frenchman could be another Tony Parker, but he has not been able to master the move from shooting guard to point guard. Nor has he been able to fill the void left by J.J. Barea. If they don't move him before this year's deadline, he could be gone over the summer.
    At this rate, Cuban will be begging for a 2nd round pick for him next year.

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    Rodrigue Beaubois isn't a rookie is he?

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    Rodrigue Beaubois isn't a rookie is he?
    he was hurt, [knee i think]. how has he looked coming back. has he lost that lightning quickness? if so, then he is just another undersized 2. very very undersized 2.

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    Rodrigue Beaubois isn't a rookie is he?
    The first article was from 2010, then 2011, then now.
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    But the more you watch him the more you think he'd be a perfect fit. He's obviously not without his warts but he's so good that you can get past them.
    I think the truth is he's so good you can only hope his BS doesn't drag things down. I'm not sure at all.

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    I think the truth is he's so good you can only hope his BS doesn't drag things down. I'm not sure at all.
    I think its been said before but Rondo thinks he is better than everyone else and that can rub teammates the wrong way. Kobe is that way as well but he doesn't let his emotions control him like Rondo does.

    I still think Rondo would be a good/great fit but he would cost too much to get so I refuse to entertain a plausible trade. ITs just not going to happen IMO.

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    Rodrigue Beaubois isn't a rookie is he?
    He's in his 3rd year and isn't worth much...2nd round pick value.

    Cuban talkin about him like Bird talks about Lance.

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    I would love to have Calderon. That $10.5 is kind of high though, and Im sure he would want similar numbers in a new contract as long as he played up to expectations.
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    If we could get Rondo with out gutting the team, then its totally worth it. Rondo just has high standards for himself and the team.
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    I actually just posted a trade with Toronto and Memphis on the Trade page, were we pick up Bargnani, Calderon and Mayo for DG,DC,DJ,Admunson, Phyco T.
    I won't go into the whole thing, but check it out if you want.

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    I would love to have Calderon. That $10.5 is kind of high though, and Im sure he would want similar numbers in a new contract as long as he played up to expectations.
    I have no interest in Calderon. His defense is just too bad for me to even consider him as a Pacer and yes the 10.5 is way to much for a guy like him.

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    I actually just posted a trade with Toronto and Memphis on the Trade page, were we pick up Bargnani, Calderon and Mayo for DG,DC,DJ,Admunson, Phyco T.
    I won't go into the whole thing, but check it out if you want.


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    If we could get Rondo with out gutting the team, then its totally worth it. Rondo just has high standards for himself and the team.
    Nothing against Rondo, but if he was to come here, it wouldn't be a bad idea to gut some of the team...like Hibbert, Hans and Collison would be good. Hibbert is to much a post player and Hans reaction time is to slow for Rondo. I'd like to see a Gortat Center and Cousins PF with Rondo. Rondo would have a hay day. Rondo would be very frustrated with Hibbert and Hans, I'd feel sorry for the guy, really.

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    I actually just posted a trade with Toronto and Memphis on the Trade page, were we pick up Bargnani, Calderon and Mayo for DG,DC,DJ,Admunson, Phyco T.
    I won't go into the whole thing, but check it out if you want.
    Please do not go into it. The idea is absurd......

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    Nothing against Rondo, but if he was to come here, it wouldn't be a bad idea to gut some of the team...like Hibbert, Hans and Collison would be good. Hibbert is to much a post player and Hans reaction time is to slow for Rondo. I'd like to see a Gortat Center and Cousins PF with Rondo. Rondo would have a hay day. Rondo would be very frustrated with Hibbert and Hans, I'd feel sorry for the guy, really.
    Yeah rondo would be a perfect fit for an uptempo offense...I am just not sure if he is a good fit for our current roster...

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    Nothing against Rondo, but if he was to come here, it wouldn't be a bad idea to gut some of the team...like Hibbert, Hans and Collison would be good. Hibbert is to much a post player and Hans reaction time is to slow for Rondo. I'd like to see a Gortat Center and Cousins PF with Rondo. Rondo would have a hay day. Rondo would be very frustrated with Hibbert and Hans, I'd feel sorry for the guy, really.
    YES! Gortat! I agree with you. I'd unload Hibbert for Gortat. I would not however want Cousins on this team. He is a buffoon.
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    Not sure what happened with Beaubois. He was on pace to become a good player before his foot injury. Now he's just very inconsistent and looks like he lacks self-confidence. He looks nowhere near like the kid who dropped 40 on the Warriors as a rookie. Maybe he could use a change of scenery.

    I'd give him a shot for a 2nd round pick + AJ, but nothing more.

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    I have no interest in Calderon. His defense is just too bad for me to even consider him as a Pacer and yes the 10.5 is way to much for a guy like him.
    It would just be nice to have a PG that could dish out almost 10 dimes a game and create more shots for other guys. I agree his D is not that good, we could slide in Hill to play a little D. But yeah unless he comes down off of 10.5, no way.
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    Yeah rondo would be a perfect fit for an uptempo offense...I am just not sure if he is a good fit for our current roster...
    Yes, uptempo or a 1/2 court like Boston running alot of high screens and P&R.

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