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  • #46
    Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

    Would be a move just to make a move. OK, at a certain point in his career he was better than collison is showing right now. But he's playing like a straight bum this season and still hasn't played his way into shape two months in. Any improvement would be just about negligible. Plus, in a summer were Hibbert and Hill are contract question marks, I'd rather not add another player (and position) into the mix unless it has the potential to greatly improve the team (i.e Nash)

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    • #47
      Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

      Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
      Since his rookie year, Collison has regressed each year. He has gotten worse in every single major category each single year. He hasn't even come close to the numbers Felton put up even while he was with the Bobcats.
      Has he actually gotten worse or have his numbers just gotten worse?

      I'm not wild about DC--I think he's about an average point guard. I think Felton is about an average point guard. One might be better than the other, but it isn't enough of a difference to advance us in the playoff pecking order.

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      • #48
        Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

        Originally posted by JB24 View Post
        Would be a move just to make a move. OK, at a certain point in his career he was better than collison is showing right now. But he's playing like a straight bum this season and still hasn't played his way into shape two months in. Any improvement would be just about negligible. Plus, in a summer were Hibbert and Hill are contract question marks, I'd rather not add another player (and position) into the mix unless it has the potential to greatly improve the team (i.e Nash)
        Im sorry but all this Nash talk on here is crazy. Dude is 38 years old and wont be getting any younger. Look at our team and than look at the Suns team. Who is on the Suns that can help Nash in any way? His numbers are highly inflated with him playing there and Im not so sure hed make us much better considering what wed have to give up to get him.

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        • #49
          Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          Has he actually gotten worse or have his numbers just gotten worse?

          I'm not wild about DC--I think he's about an average point guard. I think Felton is about an average point guard. One might be better than the other, but it isn't enough of a difference to advance us in the playoff pecking order.
          Both his numbers and his play have gotten worse. He got benched last game in favor of AJ Price, if thats not a wake up call I dont know what one is. I do understand your position though, I too would only like to make a deal only if its a major upgrade but I am not opposed to little tweaks cause I think some good could come out of it. I think that a change of scenery would do Felton some good but admit its a gamble. Collison is three yrs younger and he could turn out to be a better PG than he is now. I still think Felton right now is a better option to go with.

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          • #50
            Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

            Originally posted by CreekShow View Post
            I get your point, but for someone who was @ the game you dont remember it very well. He missed a FT giving Illinois a chance to send it in to OT. Luther Head missed and Felton went on to make the 74th and 75th point. Winning by 5. Im not trying to call you out or anything, just the game didnt end that way. Ray was one of my fav UNC players ever, but he was hardly as clutch in that game as you made it seem.

            If anything Marvin Williams tip back to make it 72-70 was the biggest bucket of the game.
            That's the final straw: I'm not nominating you for Most Humorous.
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            • #51
              Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

              Originally posted by cdash View Post
              Neither one of them has a great deal of potential, but Felton is who he is at the point. If you take away his time in D'Antoni's system, he has scarcely been an above average point guard. If he's better than Collison, it isn't by much.
              basically this.

              the major attraction of felton is that he is not DC. no team needs a fat, out of shape PG that can't shoot. at best this is a lateral move. if you're a DC hater, this is a good move because it gets rid of your least favorite player. but a year from now, you will be ing about felton and his lack of quicks, his bad shooting, and how he clogs up the break.

              pacers need to look for a much better player at any position, not a guy that is about the same.

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              • #52
                Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                just draft Scott Machado please

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                • #53
                  Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                  I've never gotten the Raymond Felton hype around here. Even at his peak he was average. Collison may not be the long-term answer, but I'm fairly certain Felton isn't. I don't even think he's an upgrade over D.C., personally.

                  I've always liked Ramon Sessions. He looks like a good starter waiting to happen to me. 15, 8, and 5 per-36 this season. I'd love to steal him from Cleveland.
                  Last edited by Lance George; 02-18-2012, 07:33 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    just draft Scott Machado please
                    There's a reason he only gained interest from schools like Iona. You think he is the answer cause he leads the NCAA in assists? What teams do they play? Not a single ranked team all season. When have they been on tv? This guy is also tops in TO's a game in his division and top ten in TO's throughout the entire NCAA. Try again Jay Bilas Jr. If this dude gets drafted it will be a miracle.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                      Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                      There's a reason he only gained interest from schools like Iona. You think he is the answer cause he leads the NCAA in assists? What teams do they play? Not a single ranked team all season. When have they been on tv? This guy is also tops in TO's a game in his division and top ten in TO's throughout the entire NCAA. Try again Jay Bilas Jr. If this dude gets drafted it will be a miracle.
                      You do realize that in two years when Machado has one decent game in the NBA that p4e is going to dig up this post and say, "I told he was going to be awesome!"

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                      • #56
                        Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        You do realize that in two years when Machado has one decent game in the NBA that p4e is going to dig up this post and say, "I told he was going to be awesome!"
                        I have him on ignore he may just trying to hate on me. Just like he hates on Eric Gordon's family for no reason


                        he will have more than one decent game He will be a good pro.

                        But Machado wasn't highly touted but some guys get overlooked and far more often do the highly touted 16 year olds like Lance Stephenson and many others fail compare to others who were less touted. Like J-Lin or Steve Nash.

                        Just Ask J-Lin http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/sp...verlooked.html

                        He is a different player than he was just last year. Machado was out of shape and couldn't shoot he dedicated himself last summer and he looks like a whole new player. I have watched him play 10+ times this year and each time I come away more and more impressed. Today he was sloppy but he played good in his biggest game in his career.

                        Machado doesnt really turn the ball over that much at all especially for the pace his team plays he is very smart with the ball and has vision you cant teach along with leadership.
                        they are on espn3 quite often I have 10 games at least I can go back and watch from earlier this year. Also I have another way to watch as well. He played Purdue this year and played quite well IONA lost by one but Machado had a double double.

                        Doug Gottlieb Jr. is more like it he is the only one on the Machado bandwagon.

                        it is ok you can jump on the Damian Lillard and Scott Machado Bandwagon later


                        EDIT: also be prepared to be shocked he will be a 1st rd pick most likely Dell Demps was in attendance tonight watching as was 9 nba teams scouts.
                        Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-18-2012, 07:55 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                          Nah I actually like Machado about as much as you do. The guy's usage rate has got to be sky high. He plays a lot of minutes and handles the ball a lot. Turnovers usually follow. Out of the point guards who would be in this draft, he is easily my favorite.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                            Originally posted by CreekShow View Post
                            I love that youre a Felton fan, but im not sure what Championship youre talking about. That 2005 championship was a 5 pt game and it was decided by FTs in the last couple of seconds. Not a buzzer beating game winner?

                            As far as Felton over DC, if you dont think Felton would be an upgrade you must be crazy. Bigger, better passer,just as fast (if not faster), and he can get to the lane and not have to settle for jumpers or floaters. He might be having a bad year, but w the lockout and new team, thats kind of warranted. I know im biased but id trade DC for Felton right this instant, and not think twice about it
                            Collison avg 2.7 FTA in about 30 min a game for his career, Felton is at 3.1 in 35 min, so he does not get to the line more often. Also Collison has a better FG, 3PT, and FT% for he's career. And lastly, it's one thing for Felton to have a "bad" year, but he has been far worse then even bad this year!

                            Realized you said lane not line, but still getting to the line is and good indicater of getting to the lane and what does it matter if Felton gets to the lane if he can't make the shot? Also Felton turns the ball over a ton, we already turn it over enough as is.
                            Last edited by TheDavisBrothers; 02-18-2012, 08:03 PM.
                            Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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                            • #59
                              Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                              Originally posted by cdash View Post
                              Nah I actually like Machado about as much as you do. The guy's usage rate has got to be sky high. He plays a lot of minutes and handles the ball a lot. Turnovers usually follow. Out of the point guards who would be in this draft, he is easily my favorite.
                              What people fail to realize is he plays in a Steve Nash type offense where you run and gun. Machado doesn't run as much PnR like Nash and the Suns do but he does run and gun like the Suns and asked to make plays for his teammates like Nash. Nash in the offense has always been around 3.5 TOs a game most of the great pgs get a lot of TOs

                              I am coming around on Marshall I now think he will be an ok backup and possibly a bad to average starter instead of a 3rd stringer if he can fix his jumper and get a post game. His defense is always gonna be bad IMO but he does have skills that will work in the NBA he runs a similar offense and his TO rate is similar to Scott Machado. I think Machado is a much more complete player on both ends of the floor which is why I have him rated much higher. But Marshall in the right system will be a solid back up. I still would take a Damian Lillard Marquis Teague(he better go back to school) and a few others over Marshall though.

                              But LOL at that dude for saying I just look at stats and I think Marshall is gonna be much worse than most pgs in the draft even ones with worse stats. I watch games to gather my opinions.
                              Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-19-2012, 07:49 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Raymond Felton possibly on the trade block?

                                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                I have him on ignore he may just trying to hate on me. Just like he hates on Eric Gordon's family for no reason


                                he will have more than one decent game He will be a good pro.

                                But Machado wasn't highly touted but some guys get overlooked and far more often do the highly touted 16 year olds like Lance Stephenson and many others fail compare to others who were less touted. Like J-Lin or Steve Nash.

                                Just Ask J-Lin http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/sp...verlooked.html

                                He is a different player than he was just last year. Machado was out of shape and couldn't shoot he dedicated himself last summer and he looks like a whole new player. I have watched him play 10+ times this year and each time I come away more and more impressed. Today he was sloppy but he played good in his biggest game in his career.

                                Machado doesnt really turn the ball over that much at all especially for the pace his team plays he is very smart with the ball and has vision you cant teach along with leadership.
                                they are on espn3 quite often I have 10 games at least I can go back and watch from earlier this year. Also I have another way to watch as well. He played Purdue this year and played quite well IONA lost by one but Machado had a double double.

                                Doug Gottlieb Jr. is more like it he is the only one on the Machado bandwagon.

                                it is ok you can jump on the Damian Lillard and Scott Machado Bandwagon later


                                EDIT: also be prepared to be shocked he will be a 1st rd pick most likely Dell Demps was in attendance tonight watching as was 9 nba teams scouts.
                                Ive never hated on anyone, including you. Anyways, what do you want to bet that Machado gets drafted in the first round? Serious question. Nine nba team scouts? Why did you come up with nine as the number and not another number? Jw......

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