This seems positive.
This seems positive.
Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-17-2012 at 01:01 AM.
Passing on Luck to keep Peyton around for 3 more years will doom this franchise's future success.
^^PR, damage control for the inevitable release...similar to "Brandon Rush requested a trade" etc...
This is like the Packers trying to buy Favre to retire(except he did retire only to change his mind)
At least with Manning retirement had nothing to do with this impasse.
Also the difference with Luck is more than his experience with a pro-style offense, it is more about the intangibles that he has. I think realistically RGIII is the only QB in this draft that has a chance at being special other than Luck, but due to his frame teams have to take that into consideration with his future in the NFL.
One thing that I have noticed about Superbowl winning teams is that they either have a great QB, or a Great D and a good QB, personally I would rather take the chance with Luck this year than waiting around and hoping that we have the chance to draft a very good QB prospect again.
Why so SERIOUS
Colts are drafting Luck regardless. That's a given. Only way Peyton is here is if he takes an incentive laden contract after the Colts release him.
That is why I think Irsay is really hoping that Manning just retires.
Lets say Peyton signs a two year deal that incentive based and he plays this year while Luck sits the bench learning like Palmer did. Then in year two Luck will be ready to step in and play, but we have Peyton still on the roster.
Are we really going to bench Peyton? Will we bench our first overall pick for another year? This is not like the Packers getting Rodgers at 28 and getting him cheap. Then what happens if Manning is playing at a high level still after year two?
I think Irsay is just stacking the deck against Manning to force him to walk away from the Colts so he does not have to deal all of this. He has made it pretty clear that he will not pay Peyton what he is due and wants a much shorter contract to just get through 2012.
Unless Manning is the definition of a team guy I do not see him back here especially if he is healthy.
The number one thing that Irsay wants is what every single owner in the league wants. And that is another crack at a championship.
He knows that he wants to set the team up for a possibility of a championship 3 years from now, 4 years from now and even 10 years from now. And that is precisely why the Colts will draft Luck.
However, if at all possible, Irsay wants a chance at a championship next season and the year after, if that is at all possible. And, if Manning proves to be healthy before September, if the Colts have an offense strong enough to overcome any defensive liabilities in Irsay's assessment, that is exactly why Irsay would choose to keep Manning and worry about the QB situation during next season and thereafter.
In Irsays world, it has almost nothing to do about a QB controversy. The only controversy will be in the opinions of the fans and the media. All Irsay will care about is the quickest route to keeping his team on top each and every year and his next championship.
As fans, would we have it any other way? Let everybody else care about the QB situation and how the time is split. All we care about is winning.
He is in it to win it each and every year and will do what he believes will get it accomplished. To him, if that means Luck and Manning coexisting, that is what he will do.
I think one thing that everyone learned this year was just how valuable a healthy Peyton Manning is. With a healthy Manning, even with a subpar defense, anything is at least possible. I think Irsay still believes that. I think that Irsay will also dictate that defensive problems begin to be addressed; after all, that had to be at least part of the driving force behind the massive organizational changes.
At this point, nothing Irsay does would surprise me. All I know for sure is that he wants to win championships.
Last edited by beast23; 02-23-2012 at 10:49 AM.
The recent silence on this topic in the media and from the participants leads me to believe the detailed discussions must be taking place finally.
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."
[QUOTE=hoosierguy;1381392]Five years in the basement? Do you just pull these numbers out of your butt? A good QB covers a lot of holes. Manning's career in Indy should have proven that decisively.[/QUOTE
Do you really think Luck is going to come out and have a Cam Newton kind of year? Cam had a great season with great numbers but the team still lost. Luck isn't a pimple on Cam Newton's ***..... He is also one of the most over valued players of all time... trade him for a boat load of picks and the Colts will be a contender for years even if Peyton leaves and they bring in a mediocre QB like Brady Quinn.......
Peyton's getting cut. I'll be stunned if he's not. Neither Grigson or Pagano have seen him throw. They each had pressers at the Combine and the gist of every answer was building a foundation and that kind of thing. Grigson was specifically asked about the salary cap situation and got a little smirk and said "we'll be in a lot better shape a year from now."
Quit stringing this thing along Irsay. It's a disservice to Pagano and Grigson to make them dodge questions about it every day when they pretty clearly IMO know the answer.
Yeah, their comments about not seeing him throw definitely caught my eye, if they are indeed telling the truth. If we were planning on keeping him then you would think that they would want the coach and GM of all people to see him throw.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are fibbing, though. If you admit that you've seen him throw then you're subjecting yourself to a million questions about how well he's throwing.
Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-24-2012 at 09:29 AM.
We're supposed to believe that Manning is rehabing at the Colts facility but they haven't seen him throw? Yeah right.
You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....
Yeah, I think they're fibbing. If you admit that you've seen him throw then you subject yourself to a billion questions about how he's throwing. They didn't want to answer all of that yesterday. Sometimes it's just best to fib.
If they actually are telling the truth then that is very surprising given that they've been here for several weeks.
[QUOTE=OlBlu;1381396]You are ridiculous. Luck a pimple on Cam's butt? What are you sniffing?
Furthermore, the fact that the Panthers went 6-10 in Newton's rookie season in no way means that it will take another four seasons before the Panthers make the playoffs.
You know jack squat about football- your absurd assessment of Luck is without merit and holds no value. Brady Quinn at QB? Quit posting. You just make yourself look more and more stupid.
Last edited by hoosierguy; 02-24-2012 at 11:15 PM.
Well, it looks like they were indeed telling the truth when they said they hadn't seen him throw. This rule sounds a bit bizarre.
INDIANAPOLIS — Colts center Jeff Saturday was emphatic Saturday during NFL Network’s combine coverage that if the team really wants Peyton Manning, it should call the quarterback and schedule a throwing session to check his health.
The problem, the Colts told NFL Network’s Albert Breer, is that no team officials outside of medical personnel can watch Manning throw until April because of rules in the new collective bargaining agreement. Since Manning failed his exit physical after neck surgery, only trainers are permitted to observe him and can report back, but by rule can’t tape any workouts.
So owner Jim Irsay, general manager Ryan Grigson and coach Chuck Pagano won’t have a firsthand look at how Manning is performing before March 8, the deadline for the team to decide whether or not to pay him a $28 million roster bonus.
Saturday also said on NFL Network that Manning “absolutely” would play next season, adding, “I hope it’s here (in Indianapolis), but he’ll be playing somewhere.”
So the trainers can't tape it, but they can at least let you know if he can hit an out route to the opposite sideline route? Sure they're trainers, but they can at least tell you how noodly his arm is.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. Peyton's gone.