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    Where is Mark Pope when you need him

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    How many alleged point guards average nearly 3x as many shot attempts as they do assists?

    A.J. Price is one of them.
    AJ Price was a major reason we won tonight..enough with the hate for tonight.

    (That doesn't mean it's gang up on DC night, either.)

    Edit: Notice, he shot considerably less when he was on the floor with people who could score..
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    Buckner missed his calling as a ref

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    Just give the nets the ball, trust in Pacers Defense.

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    Where's Brooke? missing another game?

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    That was an awesome statement from danny its nice to know that they know the pick and roll is killing us

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    Well, it's better than not winning.

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    PERFECT interview by Danny... called out their bad pnr defense.. said he knew he needed to play this game and step up, cuz last night was ugly.. just good, truthful stuff.

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    AJ Price was a major reason we won tonight..enough with the hate for tonight.

    (That doesn't mean it's gang up on DC night, either.)

    Edit: Notice, he shot considerably less when he was on the floor with people who could score..
    There is no way we win that game without that stubby, unathletic, turd of a player wearing #12 tonight.

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    Good to see Roy and Paul happy as they walk to the locker room together giving each other one of those "finally" hugs/pats on backs as they were going back..
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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    There is no way we win that game without that stubby, unathletic, turd of a player wearing #12 tonight.
    Tom Brady played?

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    Pretty much all point guards, and your math is wrong. Its 2x as much. Also why are you hating, he is one of the reasons we were able to contain Deron Williams.
    Coming into the game, he was averaging 3.8 shot attempts and 1.3 assists per-game. This selfish play is made even worse by the fact that he's shooting just .328 from the field. The icing on the crap-flavored cake? His sub-2:1 assist-to-turnover ratio.

    Darren Collison isn't anything special, but anyone who thinks A.J. Price is close to being as good is delusional or heavily biased (they know who they are).

    Price had a good game by his incredibly low-standards (8 points and 3 assists being a "good" game speaks for itself), but that doesn't change the fact that he's still a horrible basketball player.
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    I hate being the only one stuck in this bizarro world where our prolific scoring 6th man of the year candidate power forward is shooting significantly below 40%.

    He shoots better when he get the rock on a consistent basis as shown by his 49.9% from the field in his 30 starts. In the 40 games he's gotten 5 or less shots Tyler is shooting 33.6%. Tyler has got 10 or more attempts 48 times in his carer and is rocking a 16.1 PPG average in those games.

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    He shoots better when he get the rock on a consistent basis as shown by his 49.9% from the field in his 30 starts. In the 40 games he's gotten 5 or less shots Tyler is shooting 33.6%. Tyler has got 10 or more attempts 48 times in his carer and is rocking a 16.1 PPG average in those games.
    Look man I am a Tyler fan but is true, he has been playing like crap this year there is not excuses for him, at this point I would trade him for a bag of peanuts.

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    There is no way we win that game without that stubby, unathletic, turd of a player wearing #12 tonight.
    He didn't do anything Lance couldn't have done. He was better than DC. Danny Granger won us this game.

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    Pretty much all point guards
    By the way, it needs pointed out that, while A.J. averages nearly 3x as many shot attempts as assists, Collison's ratio is under 2.

    That's the highly reasonable metric I use for judging whether a point guard is pass-first or shoot-first. Darren is pass-first, A.J. is shoot-first... and second (at a .328 clip; yikes...).

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    He shoots better when he get the rock on a consistent basis as shown by his 49.9% from the field in his 30 starts. In the 40 games he's gotten 5 or less shots Tyler is shooting 33.6%. Tyler has got 10 or more attempts 48 times in his carer and is rocking a 16.1 PPG average in those games.
    Odviously if youre shooting well you'll get more shoots and if your not shooting well you won't, the less shoots is a product of the poor shooting not the other way around

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    By the way, it needs pointed out that, while A.J. averages nearly 3x as many shot attempts as assists, Collison's ratio is under 2.

    That's the highly reasonable metric I use for judging whether a point guard is pass-first or shoot-first. Darren is pass-first, A.J. is shoot-first... and second (at a .328 clip; yikes...).
    If those stats are telling you that DC is pass first I would recommend you to start watching games from now on.

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    Look man I am a Tyler fan but is true, he has been playing like crap this year there is not excuses for him, at this point I would trade him for a bag of peanuts.
    He's played like crap these last two games for sure, but he's been apparently sick with strep throat according Frank via the paper. He will always play like crap when he isn't getting the rock its no secret he's not the greatest defender in the world. So if they aren't going to use him as a scorer we should either sit him or move him while we can get something.

    33.6% when he gets 5 or less shots speaks for itself, and so does the 49.9% as a starter and 16.1 PPG when he gets 10 shots a game like the other big bench scorers.

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    Odviously if youre shooting well you'll get more shoots and if your not shooting well you won't, the less shoots is a product of the poor shooting not the other way around
    Not on this team.

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    He's played like crap these last two games for sure, but he's been apparently sick with strep throat according Frank via the paper. He will always play like crap when he isn't getting the rock its no secret he's not the greatest defender in the world. So if they aren't going to use him as a scorer we should either sit him or move him while we can get something.

    33.6% when he gets 5 or less shots speaks for itself, and so does the 49.9% as a starter and 16.1 PPG when he gets 10 shots a game like the other big bench scorers.
    I'm sorry man but I'm not going to make excuses for him, I think you need to realize that he haven't been a good player SO FAR THIS YEAR, do I think he could get better shots with a pass first point guard? yep, the problem is that he needs to work with what he got an he is sucking at it.

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    I'm sorry man but I'm not going to make excuses for him, I think you need to realize that he haven't been a good player SO FAR THIS YEAR, do I think he could get better shots with a pass first point guard? yep, the problem is that he needs to work with what he got an he is sucking at it.
    He's over 14 PPG in the 7 games he's got his 10 attempts this year and sucks badly when he gets less than 5 its not hard to figure out. He's a scorer that's what we drafted he's expanded his game some and picked up 12 assists over the last 12 games and has been just shy of 1 a game ever since he picked up his first of the year.

    He's not a great rebounded or a defender Larry knew than when he took him, but he will draw silly amounts of fouls and **** other teams off while putting up points when given the rock. When he doesn't he's just out there the difference in his production is clear as day if people choose to look at it.

    I'm willing to bet the starters would love to see Tyler have the ball to start the 2nd and 4th of every game, as it helps us hit the bonus quicker and helps them get theirs at the stripe when they come in.

    Dude is getting 14.6 PPG off the bench in his career with 10 shots of more here is what the Top-12 bench scorers are doing this year min of 20 games.

    16.9 for James Harden 10.0 FGA .571
    16.1 for Lou Williams 12.8 FGA .420
    14.8 for Jason Terry 12.9 FGA .429
    14.6 for Al Harrington 11.9 FGA .469
    14.2 for Jamal Crawford 12.8 FGA .388
    13.6 for Mo Williams 11.5 FGA .455
    12.8 for Thaddeus Young 10.7 FGA .519
    12.1 for Nicolas Batum 8.6 FGA .449
    11.8 for Brandon Bass 10.1 FGA .493
    11.7 for O.J. Mayo 10.7 FGA .409
    11.7 for Leandro Barbosa 10.6 FGA .417
    11.5 for Jordan Crawford 11.6 FGA .366

    We have 4 choices we can feed him the rock and let him do his thing, we can bench him, we can trade him or we can keep as is and keep up with the poor games until he gets the ball for a random game and puts up his big point total.

    49.9% as starter
    33.6% with 5 or less attempts
    16.1 with 10 attempts overall
    14.6 with 10 attempts off bench

    I don't think you need to be John Wooden or Phil Jackson to see what works and what doesn't work here.
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    He didn't do anything Lance couldn't have done. He was better than DC. Danny Granger won us this game.
    Lance has never shown the ability to run an offense. Price did that very effectively last night. He also has never shown the ability to defend his man off-the-ball as well as Price did.

    If Lance earns himself some time with his play, I'd have no problem with him getting time. He hasn't done that yet. There is no reason to force feed him minutes, at the detriment of the team, just because he's some pet project of Larry Bird.

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    Buckner missed his calling as a ref

    So did Joey Crawford with his temper.

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    So did Joey Crawford with his temper.
    joey does have a bad temper. that is for sure. but he does keep the game under control. and he is one of the three guys i'd want calling a big game. he give both sides a fair break. and he lets guys play.

    as opposed to the officials at the heat game. or the denver game. both were horrible in different ways.

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