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The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

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    The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

    As long as Bird would put up a standing offer to absorb Kaman's contract, I'm sure that would be preferable to Stern over buying him out with the leagues money. Bird can't stand buy to let Heat get stronger if we had the chance to get better while giving up almost nothing.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/M...s-trade-021512
    Source: Heat hoping to land Kaman

    It won’t be easy for that to happen. But the Heat are trying.

    Heat officials, including president Pat Riley, have been calling people who know Kaman to ask about him, a source told FOXSports.com on Wednesday.
    The thinking is the Heat’s best effort to get a center would be to sign Kaman — if his contract is bought out by New Orleans after the March 15 trade deadline.
    The Hornets recently sent Kaman away from the team for seven games in an effort to trade him. When that was unsuccessful, he was brought back.
    Now, apparently, the belief is that the 7-foot Kaman, who is making $14 million in the final year of his contract, could be bought out if the Hornets end up failing to get a deal they want for him. Kaman, acquired from the Los Angeles Clippers last December in the trade for Chris Paul, has played in three of the Hornets’ past four games. He totaled 27 points and 13 rebounds Monday in an 86-80 win over Utah.
    In other news involving NBA big men, a source said Wednesday that Minnesota continues to pursue a possible trade for Lakers forward Pau Gasol, dangling rookie Derrick Williams, who is from the Los Angeles area, and draft choices. The only players considered untouchable by the Timberwolves, who are seeking to add a veteran by the trade deadline, are Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio. The Timberwolves believe it could be enticing for Gasol to play on the same team as fellow Spaniard Rubio.
    As recently as two years ago, Kaman had joined Gasol in the NBA All-Star Game. That was during a season in which Kaman averaged a career-high 18.5 points and 9.3 rebounds.
    Kaman slipped to 12.4 points and 7.0 rebounds last season while playing just 32 games because of injuries. He’s averaging 10.5 and 7.4 in 20 games this season.
    But Kaman is said to be just what the Heat, who start undersized Joel Anthony at center, need. The Heat cannot talk directly with Kaman because that would constitute tampering
    “If they could get him, that would solidify the championship,’’ said the source who spoke about Miami’s interest in Kaman. The source believes there is no realistic chance the Heat could trade for Kaman by March 15 because they don’t have the right pieces.Tony Parker is biting at the heels of our other top 10 MVP candidates.
    In order to carve out a roster spot by getting one under the maximum of 15 players, the Heat on Feb. 7 waived rookie center Mickell Gladness just before contracts were to become guaranteed for the season. But Gladness was brought back on a 10-day contract Sunday, indicating the Heat remain uncertain what they might do with that final roster spot.
    The Heat have looked at 7-1 free-agent center Joel Przybilla, who finished last season with Charlotte and has been battling knee injuries for several years. For now, Przybilla has been said to still not be fully healthy, and some teams have backed off. Chicago also has been looking at Przybilla.
    Acquiring Kaman on a minimum deal would be the ultimate coup for the Heat. But there are plenty of issues that would have to be worked out.
    The Hornets obviously would like to get some pieces for him. Even if he becomes a free agent next summer, the Hornets still could have the option of dealing him in a sign-and-trade to a team under the luxury-tax threshold and getting something in return. And since the Hornets are owned by the NBA, there would be plenty of barking around the league if Kaman were bought out and then joined the Heat.We rank all 30 NBA teams from the best to the worst.
    Of course, it could come down to what a buyout number might be. Guard Mike Bibby gave up a $6.2 million contract for this season last February to be let go by Washington and have the chance to join the Heat.
    If Kaman can’t be traded, he would have to decide if he’s willing to give up his Bird free-agent rights. Those would be lost if he’s bought out, and that could cost him some money next summer in free agency.
    Of course, the opportunity to win a championship could be more important to Kaman than taking a salary hit. The source also didn’t rule out Kaman considering the Heat, even for lesser money, if he doesn’t become a free agent until next summer.
    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.
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    Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

    There's absolutely no reason for them to buy him out when we'll take him w/o any salary going back, and that's w/o even considering them being NBA owned. Good luck Miami. Imagine the stink Cuban'd raise.

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    • #3
      Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

      Yeah the league is not that stupid to cut Kaman so he can go to Miami, I'm not worry about it.

      And also if they wanted to cut Kaman the best way to save money is to send him here so they don't have to pay him anything, by cutting him they would have to pay part of his salary not matter what.
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        Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

        The Heat do not need Kaman to solidify a ring. They need to play like they are now in the playoffs.

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          Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

          Technically, if you read the article....this is based on the assumption that if Kaman is bought out...that ANY Team...not only the Heat...will have the chance of signing Kaman to a short deal. Of course, the Heat have the leg up when it comes to having the best chance to win a Champioinship....but as Heisenberg suggested....no Team Owner not living in Miami...would allow for Kaman to be bought out.

          Why buy out a Player ( since he'd be paid...one way or another ) while giving him the chance to go to one of the SuperTeams?

          If the Hornets were WAY over the LT...then I can see it happening, just to avoid paying the LT.....but they aren't...so there is no real benefit to buying Kaman out. Even if the Hornets decided to not buy him out, let him sit at home for the next 3 months and Kaman and his Agent gets upset...what's he going to do? Get p*ssed off and not sign with the Hornets next season?

          Either way, I don't see this as any real reason to buy him out....makes little sense. For the 20 or so other Billionaires ( that don't own a SuperTeam or belong in a huge Market ) that are part Owners of the Hornets....if I were them...I'd just eat the $14 mil ( which is chump change when split among the the Billionaire Owners ) he's owed rather then gift wrap Kaman to one of the Big Market or Super Teams.
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            Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

            That would be total ****.

            I thought the new CBA had a new rule about this. Don't the bottom feeder teams get first dibs?

            Pacers could really use this guy.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #7
              Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

              If the Hornets want to get rid of him so badly, send over 2 second round picks for the guy. That's how Kahn got Beasley.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                That would be total ****.

                I thought the new CBA had a new rule about this. Don't the bottom feeder teams get first dibs?

                Pacers could really use this guy.
                That rule only applied to players waived via amnesty. They should have made it apply to any player bought out.
                Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                  Even if he is cut, the Pacers can still greatly outbid the Heat.

                  Obviously, it assumes that he'll follow the money and not the ring.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                    I personally dont want us to spend our entire 14M on Kaman, even if it is a rental

                    We need a PG/SG much more than a center
                    Last edited by 90'sNBARocked; 02-16-2012, 11:50 AM.
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                      Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                      Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                      If the Hornets want to get rid of him so badly, send over 2 second round picks for the guy. That's how Kahn got Beasley.
                      The Heat wanted to dump salary to get the three headed doucemonster. I don't see the Hornets trying to pull that off. They want more or it would have already been done by 5-8 teams.

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                        Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                        Originally posted by JB24 View Post
                        Even if he is cut, the Pacers can still greatly outbid the Heat.

                        Obviously, it assumes that he'll follow the money and not the ring.
                        Ya never know I guess, but Kaman really does strike me as a lot more of a central Indiana guy than a South Beach guy.

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                          Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                          I personally dont want us to spend our entire 14M on Kaman, even if it is a rental

                          We need a PG?SG much more than a center
                          Point guard, preferably a starting point should be our top need (but probably not something we can get this year). I think Lance will grow into the backup SG (I mean, he did hit a 3 yesterday!), but a backup shooting guard is something we need since we can't wait for Lance.

                          Backup C is still an issue with Foster's back. I'm not a fan of Lou.
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                            The Heat wanted to dump salary to get the three headed doucemonster. I don't see the Hornets trying to pull that off. They want more or it would have already been done by 5-8 teams.
                            I think we're the only team that's able to do that. No other team has the cap space.
                            They do want more for Kaman but even if they get a better offer any other team will have to send back salary for what's likely a bad contract. In the end I'm hoping our ability to absorb Kamans contract is their best offer.
                            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                              Re: The Pacers can't let this happen (Heat hope to land Kaman)

                              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                              That would be total ****.

                              I thought the new CBA had a new rule about this. Don't the bottom feeder teams get first dibs?

                              Pacers could really use this guy.
                              I know that we need him.....maybe it's the night of heavy drinking ( j/k ), the utter sense of hopelessness or realization that the Basketball gods just hate Pacers fans.... but my gut feeling is that Kaman isn't coming here.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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