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  • #61
    Re: This team has quit...again

    I think all we're seeing right now is what happens when medicore (say average if that sounds nicer to you) players lose their confidence. Outside of Danny and West, we have a roster full of mediocre players.

    You can say what you want about Hibbert's pre-slide consistency but he's a mediocre player until he becomes agressive at setting up and demanding the ball. Same with PG-- just mediocre until he develops any semblance of consistency. Collison, Hill-- both mediocre (say average) players.

    Early in the year they were playing with supreme confidence and they gutted out a lot of early victories. Some time around the well-publicized "fix the offense" sessions, players began to doubt themselves and they're a .500 team since then.


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    • #62
      Re: This team has quit...again

      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      Well if you are not trying to bash Price then maybe you shouldn't bash him. You don't have to bash him to stand up for Lance. So don't pretend saying, "Not trying to bash AJ" means anything if you just hashed him.


      Sorry I had to pull your Picard too, but nowhere did I bash AJ. I stated a fact.

      People want to bench Lance 30 games in after AJ had 82 last year to show what he could do. It just ain't fair.


      Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
      I agree. I wish I would have ranked them so you didn't have to address that. Next time I will be sure to put the 5 things above everything I comment on.

      That was last year. And if I had to pick a backup PG between last year's AJ and this years Lance I don't think it would be as easy as you would like. Please do not look but Lance is only shooting 2% better than last year's AJ---http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind/stats

      Lance's defense is getting better. But I still do not know about the sustainability of his offensive game. He can get to the rim. And either throw up crap, get stuffed, turnover the ball, or score.

      Neither of them are great. But we are seeing AJ playing better and more consistently. So that is why I think he should play more. Lance supporters want to see him play more why?

      I liked Lance over AJ to start the season to see what Lance can bring thus far into his career. I have seen it and I think the experiment needs to be put on hold for later.
      The man's 21 years old, and one the most talented players on the team. If you and others don't think so that's your right, but me personally, I'm gonna side with the Legend on this one.

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      • #63
        Re: This team has quit...again

        Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

        The man's 21 years old, and one the most talented players on the team. If you and others don't think so that's your right, but me personally, I'm gonna side with the Legend on this one.
        Talent does not equate the best player on the team. We have talked about how you talent can be equated potential. And potential is met with wisdom and maturation. And you need some playing time to get that. And getting that playing time might be detrimental to the chemistry of the team.

        If Larry really thinks that Lance is the best player, then why did he go out and get Hill? Or why didn't he release Price and save $700k? Why is Paul George and DC starting over him?

        Please do not qualify Bird's most talented quote with the most NBA readied player available.

        Right now it is debatable. But Lance is your boy. I understand. AJ is far from mine, I actually want Lance over him next year. But as for this year and the need to break this funk. I am willing to go with AJ for awhile like we did with Lance.

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        • #64
          Re: This team has quit...again

          Am I the only one that thinks the Picard smiley has jumped the shark on this forum about 6 months ago?


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          • #65
            Re: This team has quit...again

            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
            Talent does not equate the best player on the team. We have talked about how you talent can be equated potential. And potential is met with wisdom and maturation. And you need some playing time to get that. And getting that playing time might be detrimental to the chemistry of the team.

            If Larry really thinks that Lance is the best player, then why did he go out and get Hill? Or why didn't he release Price and save $700k? Why is Paul George and DC starting over him?

            Please do not qualify Bird's most talented quote with the most NBA readied player available.

            Right now it is debatable. But Lance is your boy. I understand. AJ is far from mine, I actually want Lance over him next year. But as for this year and the need to break this funk. I am willing to go with AJ for awhile like we did with Lance.
            No ones said either of those things.

            Honestly, I agree with you that he's not a very good player right now. The point is, if we want to tap in to the talent Bird sees in Lance he's going to need playing time. If I thought the team would break out of it's funk and go onto the ECF with AJ as the back up PG I'd be all for it, but I don't think he makes that much of a difference.

            Don't get me wrong, I like AJ on this team. I think he's a good player that belongs in this league, but I'm not sure your championship material if he's logging major minutes at PG. It's not worth it to me for Lance's development to get stunted to win a few more games this year. JMO as always.

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            • #66
              Re: This team has quit...again

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              Am I the only one that thinks the Picard smiley has jumped the shark on this forum about 6 months ago?
              Deal with it gif Pictures, Images and Photos

              Sorry bro... just got here a few weeks ago.

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              • #67
                Re: This team has quit...again

                Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
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                ... Hyperbole much? Sorry I had to Picard you but are you ever going to add anything to the conversation or are you just here to rag on other posters so you can collect thanks? Do you mind occasionally throwing out an opinion or point of view please?
                Yes, ill keep collecting THANKS, thats the only reason i wake up everyday.

                Ill add something for you, Pacers is in a slump, every team has them, even Heat or OKC or Spurs or whatever you pick. Team is young, playing their first winning season after ages, and most of the people tend to overreact on them both positively and negatively.

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                • #68
                  Re: This team has quit...again

                  Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                  Yea, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Although, I think, even if you are right eventually, Lance isn't ready for that yet.

                  Didn't notice about the Huskies..I pretty much gave up on them. They were playing considerably worse than the Pacers.
                  Sook your too good a fan , and Coach Calhoon is injured and when he gets back he is too good a coach

                  I agree Lance isnt ready , unless were talking spot minutes here and there

                  I will say this though, I wish when AJ and Lance are in the game together, the roles would be reveresed. I would ratehr Lance bring the ball up and initiate the offense while AJ played the SG. AJ is hands down a better outside shooter at this point than Lance and I would feel more comfortable with him in the corner than Lance

                  Seriously not a knock on AJ but more on Lance as watching him spot up , I get the same amount of confidence I got when McBob would launch from deep
                  Sittin on top of the world!

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                  • #69
                    Re: This team has quit...again

                    Originally posted by flox View Post
                    :FACEPALM: :FACEPALM:




                    Man hotstreaks...do they exist? How do they work?



                    Trying to find a job. =(. But with the recent 5 game losing streak, I thought I'd chime in since I don't think we're this bad. This losing streak is a bad sign but we still have to remind ourselves of who was out during this stretch, but also, more importantly, how we're actually playing.
                    Flox

                    PM me bro with your skills set and what your looking for., I still got a lot of contacts in the tri state area and might be of help
                    Sittin on top of the world!

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                    • #70
                      Re: This team has quit...again

                      Lance has been more aggressive looking for his shot. Isn't that what we wanted? He just needs to stay away from the 3. 4-10 isn't the end of the world, and he had 2 steals. More importantly, 0 TOs. Lance has also been cutting down on his TOs. That marks improvement in my book.

                      AJ is streaky, and a very poor streaky (career .379!). He'll have 3 or 4 good games, but then disappear for 10-12.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #71
                        Re: This team has quit...again

                        Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                        Lance has been more aggressive looking for his shot. Isn't that what we wanted? He just needs to stay away from the 3. 4-10 isn't the end of the world, and he had 2 steals. More importantly, 0 TOs. Lance has also been cutting down on his TOs. That marks improvement in my book.

                        AJ is streaky, and a very poor streaky (career .379!). He'll have 3 or 4 good games, but then disappear for 10-12.
                        What AJ has over LAnce right now is consistency. I trust AJ to make the right play moreso than Lance. The counterpoint to thsi is, that I believe Lance has abilities that AJ doesnt (posting up, strength, passing off the drive etc) thats why I want him to get consistent time, that is the only way to improve. I would love to see Lance play with the starters (i know it wont happen) because with the starters he would be a facilatotor and a good one, and might even be open more
                        Sittin on top of the world!

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                        • #72
                          Re: This team has quit...again

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Am I the only one that thinks the Picard smiley has jumped the shark on this forum about 6 months ago?
                          The guy is new to PD he doesn't know that, hey you just got 4 thanks on that comment that must make you feel good.......
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #73
                            Re: This team has quit...again

                            I'm only a little worried, cause I would have expected them to come out guns blazing after the break before the Miami game, considering they will have a 5 day break over All-Star weekend (starting next Thursday).

                            Hicks, I agree that we have to remind ourselves of the insane schedule so far this season, and empathize with the possibility that they are just extremely fatigued. I still thought they would have given more effort in the last week before a 5 day break.

                            Maybe we will see that effort starting tonight. It could have been a sort of strategy not to blow it all against a superior Miami team and then be spent for the following two games. I still think we should have won last night, even without Granger. Central Division opponent, missing best player: I don't see a reason for the lack of motivation.

                            So if its a counter fatigue strategy, I hope tonight we see its payoff. Then again, we didn't plan for a Granger injury.
                            https://soundcloud.com/geoclipse

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                            • #74
                              Re: This team has quit...again

                              Originally posted by flox View Post
                              Trying to find a job. =(. But with the recent 5 game losing streak, I thought I'd chime in since I don't think we're this bad. This losing streak is a bad sign but we still have to remind ourselves of who was out during this stretch, but also, more importantly, how we're actually playing.
                              I knew you were really JOB.

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                              • #75
                                Re: This team has quit...again

                                Nice work TJ
                                Sittin on top of the world!

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