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    Remember that Pacers train that was on the track going through the Wolves & Mavs. well as you can see we are having a problem.

    I'm not even going to bother with this one. I am somewhere between trying to justify what is going on and telling everyone to be patient or I'm going to make Vnzla81 sound poised and reasonable.

    I will save my theory of a player I think may be the one breaking the chemistry for later when I am not so pessimistic (It's probably not who you think) *Hint it's not Lance*.

    Anyway a friend of mine was at the game tonight and tweeted me that he spoke with Brooke at the game and she told him that Danny is out a least a week. Obviously I trust him as a source (old core team brother) but this isn't confirmed by any stretch of the imagination.


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    I'm intrigued by the theory. Is it Tyler? He's the only one that doesn't seem to be part of gang at times.

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    The player breaking team chemistry? I don't think it's Lance either.

    I think it's David West

    Quite frankly, I think the bench is pretty unified. I paid attention to the body language. When it's a majority of the bench in, they help each other out. They high five at the free throw line, they talk to each other.

    They may struggle to score some times, but they always have energy and effort. They may make some mistakes..but they just always look like a team. When one of them has an emotional moment, the other ones are quick to talk to them. (Something that never happens with the starters)

    The starters don't, and haven't. But David, more than anyone, has looked lethargic. And all of a sudden the offense has been focused on David getting more shots. And David isn't even fighting for rebounds any longer. I don't know what happened, but he, even more so than Roy looks different. The body language with him, is different than with the other guys.
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    I wish you wouldn't save the theory, because it could be one of about five players.

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    the player breaking team chemistry?

    I think it's David West.
    Im curious as to why you think its DW?

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    Plus it'd take my mind off the game.

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    That player has to be somebody that was here last year when we had the same problem, I would say DJ and probably West.

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    This reeks more of a coaching issue than a single player IMO.

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    Miami traveled to Cleveland after the game last night as well. Maybe they flew their plane alongside ours, and Eddy Curry and Lebron James made faces at us through the windows the whole flight, while laughing flamboyantly and sipping glasses of fine victory champagne...

    ...I don't see any other explanation for our deflated sense of confidence...
    We got a new weapon this time around: a Lance forged on the Isle de Coney, built for piercing trolls and false kings alike! Prince Paul rides with this Lance at hand, from the West fortress on Mt. Hibb. He shall pierce the demon heart of your misguided Cavalier, and he shall claim his crown.

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    My pick is West also, just a hunch.
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    i see the odd thoughts turning into a hunted houses saga, **** or get off the pot peck :P
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    That player has to be somebody that was here last year when we had the same problem, I would say DJ and probably West.

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    West is the last player I would suspect at causing chemistry issues.

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    He was here in mind and spirit.

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    That player has to be somebody that was here last year when we had the same problem, I would say DJ and probably West.
    I don't think so. The player last year causing the problem was pretty obviously Lance. I don't think it's him this year.

    edit: I could be completely wrong about West. It could just be that he's annoying me more than any other player, so he's my guess. But I don't think I'm being that biased. There's at least, an obvious difference in energy level and body language with the bench and the starters, so, IMO, it's pretty obvious it wasn't them.

    And with Granger out tonight, it's not Granger. And I'd quickly eliminate PG as one of the guys causing issues, because of being labeled "the perfect rookie" last season. I'd eliminate Roy too, despite his struggles, he just doesn't seem like a team chemistry problem guy. So, that leaves us at DC and West. And judging by player interactions..

    That all said, this could just all be a result of all the starters at the same time playing poorly, for some unexplainable reason.
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    Ok so I didn't feel like writing more, I meant to say DJ because he was one of the divas last year and from this year I would say West, happy now?

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    West is the last player I would suspect at causing chemistry issues.
    He seems to be frustrated almost all of the time imo. Likely because no one on this team seems to be able to get him the ball in the places he needs it.
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    I think it's Danny. I think he got upset when Vogel let him set for 20 minutes when he was red hot the other night. I think it's pretty natural though. Here you've been struggling with your shot all season, and finally you are red hot and the coach lets you set. Then when you come back you've gone cold. That would upset anyone.

    I think it's all on Vogel, because his substitute pattern isn't very good. He needs to keep the times down, because Danny was averaging 36 minutes a game there for about 9 games in a row, and he got gased and started slacking off which effected the team.

    Vogel finally realized the problem and 'fixed' it at the wrong time. I don't really think it's anything to worry about. Danny knows Vogel is a rookie and he's not the type to stay mad long. Vogel is having growing pains is all.

    As far as the whole team being down I think they are just mentally gased. They were all on the same page there for a while and paying attention and playing great, but you can't stay up mentally for the whole season.

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    I think it's Danny. . .
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    if danny's out for a week, then we will get a chance to see if it's danny or not.

    don't think it's danny. i think it's casue the pacers are young and tired. which makes their collective BBIQ go down. plus the league is catching up with what the pacers do. plus george hill is hurt. plus the lack of size at the 1 and the 4.

    mostly i think the players just have to start playing better.

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    I'm intrigued by the theory. Is it Tyler? He's the only one that doesn't seem to be part of gang at times.
    I'm sure he's plays a part in it, but I think its West or Danny they both are the outspoken leaders and at times have played badly. Hard to get on others when you have some flaws as well.

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    I honestly think we'll be fine eventually.

    Get Danny and especially Hill healthy. Give one of the best coaching staffs in the league time to fully adjust to the X's and O's side of our problems. Let the increased depth of a healthy top 7 lower the minutes of our players and contribute towards getting more wind in our sales.

    I think as those all start to fall into place, we'll start winning more than we lose again; I really do.

    The question is when. Well, last I knew we should have both of those guys back no later than the end of the month/start of March, so I'm just going to try my best to wait it out until after the All-Star break. I think next month will exorcise these demons and get this 'train' back on the right 'track'.

    Just hold on until we get through these next couple of week or so; I don't think the sky is falling.

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    I will save my theory of a player I think may be the one breaking the chemistry for later when I am not so pessimistic (It's probably not who you think) *Hint it's not Lance*.
    Hope you drop it on us soon since you got all of our interests peaked.

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    I hope it's not any one player. It's fine for us fans to point fingers and play the blame game, but when players on the team start pointing fingers.......game over.
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