I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.
“People talk about how quiet he [McKey] is, but he’s really been helpful. He gives a lot of insight to players in how to guard certain teams and what their weaknesses are. The whole team listens to him, and it makes my job a lot easier. Having players like him is what pro basketball is all about for me.” —Larry Brown
Sittin on top of the world!
I think I'm just going to start ignoring any topic with Lance in it.
This place is getting silly about it. When people are getting called delusional for thinking Collison can improve by the same person promoting Lance as the savior of our bench .... yikes. Pot calling the kettle black. This same person claims Lance does nothing but stand in the corner, but somehow while standing in the corner he leads the team in turnovers per minute by a pretty wide margin, in fact he's one of the league leaders. Imagine if he actually didn't just stand in the corner most of his time on the floor because right now he's 21st in turnovers per 48, and half of those ahead of him have played 10 or less games.
Yes, lets release the reigns on a turnover machine. We'll win games that way.
And maybe a Harvard grade may have a high IQ, I do not think you could say, with limited play so far, that one has more b-ball IQ.
If a player has great court vision it could be deemed useless if said player is not given the chance to execute that vision on the court.
I just want to give the kid some time and opportunity. Give him the ball twenty or so possessions a game and see what happens.
Honestly I wish they would just let Lance be a Microwave off the bench. If he is as talented as they say he is. Then let him go score the damn ball for our bench. We don't guys in the 2nd unit that can play the team ball at a high level. I honestly think this group is holding him back.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
Lance is a very good mid range shooter. You cannot judge him right now because he is inclined to hesitate before he does anything. He is over thinking the game because he does not want to make a mistake and be taken out of the game. I think he deserves alot of credit for trying to do what he is being asked. The question is, are they asking him to tone his game down too much. Everyone agrees that he is better with the ball in his hands. It will not be in his hands playing with Collison or Price. I would like to see him get a chance to run the team with the second unit. That unit should be able to get out and run, pressure the ball and create turnovers. If he is running the break you see him light up. Let him do it as long as he stays under control.
If Lance was as good as they are, I probably wouldn't. The problem is, he isn't. Those guys are getting 3-4 turnovers a game, but they're clearly getting more assists. Lance hasn't accomplished that with his limited responsibilities. Why would you expand them? He doesn't score like those guys, he doesn't rebound like them either. He wasn't drafted as high as they were for a reason. He didn't do as well as they did in college. Lance hasn't done anything meaningful at whatever level since he left high school. Crap, hurry up! Lets get Damon Bailey, at least he did well in college.
The subject of Lance Stephenson on this board is one that if anyone else in the country read it they would immediately label this board a bunch of idiots and never come back.
I seriously am going to ignore this thread at this point, and anything that turns into a Lance debate I'm going to try to avoid at all costs. This silliness is an assault on my sanity.
After the Mackey/bulletproof assault with numbers in the other Lance thread, I found this one interesting. Look at last nights +/-, someone sticks out. The same player had the highest +/- tonight. To be honest this doesn't mean a lot, however this is just as valuable as the Cherry picked stats people use against Lance.
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The kid is kinda growing on me... I get the impression he really wants to find his niche and help the team win as a team. ...and I get the impression he's really trying to do it within the framework of the coaching.
He's got the athleticism. If he's coachable like it appears, then that really adds to his ceiling. Coachability was the real question mark I had with him as far as on the court goes....
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."