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  • #31
    Re: High Ratings on Television

    Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
    Anyone that works 40+ hours and are 30 minutes or more away from the game is going to find it hard to go to during work days on any kind of regular basis. Especially if they have a 2nd job, a family, a hobby, school, ect.

    Driving an hour + to down town to make it to a 7:00 game and is on the back side of rush hour. Many people just don't want to deal with the hurry, rush around just to get to a game and blow 1/2 or more of a weekly salary for one game. If a person makes $600.00 a week after taxes and wants to take their family for a 2 1/2 hour game. They just worked nearly all week for that, not gonna happen. But should that person and family be deprived from viewing from there home because of a blackout? obviously not! You think that person is gonna go...Oh No, I must go to a game, now that I can't watch it at home? Hell No!

    They have to show the games on TV to get noticed and to create interest and want from people. Blackout is the dumbest thing they could do, especially with today's technology.

    I think these pro teams need to cut the ticket prices by 70% at all times. I think they should have a very reasonable package to buy and watch from home to make up the difference of ticket prices. Like FSI being a paid channel.

    That would show support and would easily make more money then ticket sales. And it wouldn't be the NBA package.

    added: Please understand, I am thinking for others here, not just myself, I couldn't go on a regular basis if someone paid for the whole thing, I don't have the time to get there, 1 1/2 hour drive one way and I'm in a 50 mile radius. My kid is an adult and is in college and my wife would not go but once a year if I smiled right. And I definitely don't have a money issue as I work my rear off to have nice things. So, cost would be minimal for myself and a friend. It's all about time and simplicity.
    In what world do you live in where it costs $300+ to go to a single Pacers game? Unless you're the Duggars, any family can go to a Pacers game quite cheaply if they use their money wisely. You don't have to sit courtside to enjoy the game. Balcony/Krieg Devault seats are still a ton of fun, parking is reasonable, and if you eat before you go to the game you don't need to buy concessions.

    Just looked up prices. $15/ticket for a good game between Pacers/Nuggets. $60 to take a family of four to a game.

    I can understand not wanting to drive in traffic, the hassle of an outing, the crowds, but that applies to every event everywhere. It's no excuse, Hoosiers just aren't coming out. I think that's an issue with marketing.

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    • #32
      Re: High Ratings on Television

      Originally posted by Indra View Post
      Just looked up prices. $15/ticket for a good game between Pacers/Nuggets. $60 to take a family of four to a game.
      I'm not trying to be a whiner here but this $15 dollar ticket is row 21 and 22 in the balcony. You get what you pay for and at that height it's not that appealing.

      Edit>>> Nice of the Pacers to offer the Hilbert package. Hard to argue the front office is not trying when they have something like that. However it seems the reoccuring them is that mid level seating needs to be addressed.
      Last edited by RWB; 02-10-2012, 09:29 AM.
      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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      • #33
        Re: High Ratings on Television

        Just because someone watches most of the games in their living room does not make them a casual fan. We barely have enough time around here to get the kids fed, homework done, and keep the house maintained let alone driving an hour and a half one way 2 to 3 times a week. Add to that the fact that Pacers games end past my kids' bedtimes, and the financial strain it would put on us. I live and die with this team, but it's not gonna happen. Nor am I just a casual fan. We save up and try to attend a few games a year, which is special to all of us.
        "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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        • #34
          Re: High Ratings on Television

          Originally posted by RWB View Post
          I'm not trying to be a whiner here but this $15 dollar ticket is row 21 and 22 in the balcony. You get what you pay for and at that height it's not that appealing.

          Edit>>> Nice of the Pacers to offer the Hilbert package. Hard to argue the front office is not trying when they have something like that. However it seems the reoccuring them is that mid level seating needs to be addressed.
          Only the first few rows in the balcony are worth the ticket price. If I had to had sit north of my Row 2 seats I wouldn't have bought my package. Better experience at home on the TV.

          They are charging Lucas Oil prices to sit in the middle level.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • #35
            Re: High Ratings on Television

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            I'm telling you, I'm with JMV on this one. You almost want to be careful what you wish for. I want the Pacers to have the financial success, but I don't want to be sitting next to Bandwagon McDbag when they become popular again.
            Don't want to be super cynical, but that's gonna happen. 18k seats, there aren't 18k non-dbag fans that will show up that often.

            I can put up with those losers, as long as they are the minority.

            On the topic of getting fans to the game, they are doing a better job with ticket deals (2 for Tuesdays, the Hibbert All-Star pack etc...) which is what I see as the/a major deterrent.

            I'm finishing up school, have a wife/2 jobs, and freaking love the Pacers. I live about 1-1/2 to 2 hours away, but absolutely would head to Indy 15+ times a year, and every game in the playoffs. In fact, this past season I went to every home playoff game.

            But, when I jump on Ticketmaster and see lower/club level seats that will run me between $185-$350 for the two of us, it is basically impossible. Now, then I can jump on StubHub, get lower level seats for $50 or less, and I'm in business. I actually picked up 2 tickets, Sec 17 Row 17, $25 a piece.

            So, I think they're on the right track with the ticket deals, but they have to find a way to compete with StubHub and others, otherwise people will continue to wait until they show up on a 3rd party site for nickels and dimes.


            At the end of the day, winning is what gets it done. Don't be surprised when no-one comes to see the Nets et al when they travel to Indy. Once Indy is a known commodity, they become an "entertainment" option again, rather than something just for basketball diehards.

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            • #36
              Re: High Ratings on Television

              Originally posted by Indra View Post
              In what world do you live in where it costs $300+ to go to a single Pacers game? Unless you're the Duggars, any family can go to a Pacers game quite cheaply if they use their money wisely. You don't have to sit courtside to enjoy the game. Balcony/Krieg Devault seats are still a ton of fun, parking is reasonable, and if you eat before you go to the game you don't need to buy concessions.

              Just looked up prices. $15/ticket for a good game between Pacers/Nuggets. $60 to take a family of four to a game.

              I can understand not wanting to drive in traffic, the hassle of an outing, the crowds, but that applies to every event everywhere. It's no excuse, Hoosiers just aren't coming out. I think that's an issue with marketing.

              I see your point, but tickets in the lower level are at least $155/seat. Mid-level is approx $115. Then Balcony is very affordable, $40 etc, some $14-$20, the $6 deals and so on. Unfortunately, the high balcony seats aren't really worth going to, especially if you have to jump through hoops to get to the game. Couple that with the type of people you get (I have a thread about my experience against the Bulls in the playoffs) and I'd never go mid or upper balcony.

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              • #37
                Re: High Ratings on Television

                Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
                I see your point, but tickets in the lower level are at least $155/seat. Mid-level is approx $115. Then Balcony is very affordable, $40 etc, some $14-$20, the $6 deals and so on. Unfortunately, the high balcony seats aren't really worth going to, especially if you have to jump through hoops to get to the game. Couple that with the type of people you get (I have a thread about my experience against the Bulls in the playoffs) and I'd never go mid or upper balcony.
                That Bulls experience isn't the norm though. Most other games, those are diehards up there in Nosebleed, IN. I would hate them to start blacking out games. I usually high tail it over to my pops house, and we watch the games together when my work schedule permits. But this, personally, has been a very difficult financial year, and at the end of the day, the Pacers are a luxury. I bleed blue and gold, but there are just too many other necessities vying for my limited income as it is. When you're holding the rope at both ends, trying to make ends meet, you feel every inch you cut off the ends. We make it happen from time to time, but I'd imagine our case is not unique. I will says the Pacers have done a good job making it easier to go to games when we can go.

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                • #38
                  Re: High Ratings on Television

                  One thing to mention here that hasn't even been touched upon is that watching on TV, you get play-by-play and color commentary. I am not claiming that this makes or breaks game attendance, but I have been to several games where I find myself wondering; What just happened? Why was that foul called? and on and on....Watching from your living room gives you the convenience of having someone else do the brainwork.

                  I like going to the games, as I tend to get into them by yelling, whooping and hollering, yelling at refs/players etc etc. I can only imagine the experience for someone that is more passive and doesn't get emotionally envolved. It takes a certain "type" of fan to actually attend games and "get into them", where anyone can sit at home, and with the power of DVR, never miss a thing....All the while having someone else tell you what you should and shouldn't think about things...
                  http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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                  • #39
                    Re: High Ratings on Television

                    Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
                    One thing to mention here that hasn't even been touched upon is that watching on TV, you get play-by-play and color commentary. I am not claiming that this makes or breaks game attendance, but I have been to several games where I find myself wondering; What just happened? Why was that foul called? and on and on....Watching from your living room gives you the convenience of having someone else do the brainwork.

                    I like going to the games, as I tend to get into them by yelling, whooping and hollering, yelling at refs/players etc etc. I can only imagine the experience for someone that is more passive and doesn't get emotionally envolved. It takes a certain "type" of fan to actually attend games and "get into them", where anyone can sit at home, and with the power of DVR, never miss a thing....All the while having someone else tell you what you should and shouldn't think about things...
                    I can relate to this. I don't mind going at all, but I generally need a beer to loosen up in that kind of environment around so many people.
                    "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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                    • #40
                      Re: High Ratings on Television

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      I have a vague memory that the teams that get the best ratings are between 6 -10. Average would be more in the 3-5 range and down from there. But it makes a huge difference the size of the city.

                      If the Knicks get a 2.2 rating in NYC and the pacers get a 6.8 rating in Indy, there are still multiple times more people watching the Knicks than the pacers.
                      According to wiki the Pacers played in the highest rated regular season game against the Bulls in 95, it came in at 10.9. It was Jordan's first game back from his first retirement.
                      Last edited by MiaDragon; 02-10-2012, 03:23 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: High Ratings on Television

                        Originally posted by MiaDragon View Post
                        According to wiki the Pacers played in the highest rated regular season game against the Bulls in 95, it came in at 10.9. If was Jordan's first game back from his first retirement.
                        How many PD'ers were also in MSA for that game? I remember a whole bunch of 45 jerseys.

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                        • #42
                          Re: High Ratings on Television

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          How many PD'ers were also in MSA for that game? I remember a whole bunch of 45 jerseys.
                          Well a lot of Pacer season ticket holders were able to pay for a season's worth of tickets by selling that game. No harm in that when you consider it was a regular season game and a Pacer fan really doesn't give a crap that was Jordan's first game back.

                          Got to remember we had the opportunity to see him before, and actually I hated watching Jordan games with the lord of basketball getting every call.
                          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                          • #43
                            Re: High Ratings on Television

                            Originally posted by RWB View Post
                            Well a lot of Pacer season ticket holders were able to pay for a season's worth of tickets by selling that game. No harm in that when you consider it was a regular season game and a Pacer fan really doesn't give a crap that was Jordan's first game back.

                            Got to remember we had the opportunity to see him before, and actually I hated watching Jordan games with the lord of basketball getting every call.
                            I'll never fault someone for selling their tickets for a profit. More power to you.

                            In a legion of mostly forgettable regular season games, that's one I'll never forget.

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                            • #44
                              Re: High Ratings on Television

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              I'll never fault someone for selling their tickets for a profit. More power to you.

                              In a legion of mostly forgettable regular season games, that's one I'll never forget.
                              Mackey you don't have to go that far my friend. Now if someone was to do that for a playoff game (including me) then may they rot in hell. Ok maybe not that bad, but I'd be angry.
                              You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                              • #45
                                Re: High Ratings on Television

                                Originally posted by RWB View Post
                                Mackey you don't have to go that far my friend. Now if someone was to do that for a playoff game (including me) then may they rot in hell. Ok maybe not that bad, but I'd be angry.
                                As much as I hate going to a Colts' playoff game and seeing tons of Terrible Towels, or Dirty Sanchez jerseys, I don't blame the season ticket holders for paying for the other 16 games by watching one game on TV.

                                I wouldn't do it, but I think it's totally reasonable.

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