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    I guess I'm just not seeing why he'd lie. What would be the point?

    Coming out of high school he was considerd one of the nations top players (just 3 yrs ago). No one else on the team can claim that.
    McRoberts was one of the nations top players too. He wasn't most talented on the Roster.

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    I bet lance could take on any of our guys in a 1 on 1 contest.. In that sense, hes the best.. He can take just about anybody off the dribble.

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    I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

    Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.

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    McRoberts was one of the nations top players too. He wasn't most talented on the Roster.
    No one said Josh was... Josh didn't have nearly the hype Lance had anyway.
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    I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

    Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.
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    I'd rather see Lance try to come in and spot Collison some minutes and see what Lance can do running the offense with some more offensively capable players. Lance in the game with Paul George I think would be awesome.

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    Larry has continuously said that Lance is the most talented player on that roster. That's a lie.
    Kinda arrogant, I think.

    I think Lance is the most talented player on our roster.

    I don't think I'm necessarily right, but I'm confident in my opinion. It's nice that Larry agrees.

    Calling Larry a liar. Not really cool.
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    I like to hear that Larry keeps repeating that he is still has some work to do.
    Yeah, he seems pretty open about wanting to use that capspace.

    Someone help me here with memory. But hasn't Larry been a bit less open in this way in past years before the deadline? Hasn't it usually a lot of cautious speak and warnings that nothing may be done?
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    Yeah, he seems pretty open about wanting to use that capspace.

    Someone help me here with memory. But hasn't Larry been a bit less open in this way in past years before the deadline? Hasn't it usually a lot of cautious speak and warnings that nothing may be done?
    To be fair.....we really haven't been in this position where the FO has a lot of capspace to spend.

    Last year...we had the Expiring Contracts...but I'm guessing that the opportunities / offers would be different than the ones that are available this year.
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    I recall Mark Boyle jumping on here early in Lance's career and saying something similar to the effect that Lance was one of, if not the most, talented guy on the roster from a pure talent standpoint. He also cautioned about all the non-playing aspects.

    To me this discussion is like in baseball when they talk about "five tool" players. Some players with all five tools turn out to be the best in baseball, and others don't ever really pan out, despite the talent.

    Lance is potentially the Pacers' best version of a "five tool" player. He handles the ball and sees the floor, can jump, can pass, can shoot, has good size, and is pretty fast. I think Paul George may be surpassing Lance, however, once he gets his handles more developed. Lance is certainly much more raw.

    For baseball fans who appreciate comparisons, I hope Lance is an Eric Davis, but sometimes I fear he is more Willy Mo Pena.

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    I'd rather see Lance try to come in and spot Collison some minutes and see what Lance can do running the offense with some more offensively capable players. Lance in the game with Paul George I think would be awesome.
    Personally, I'd rather see Lance earn whatever minutes he gets by continuing to grow his game. He can do that by hitting his free throws and developing some kind of shot that he can hit consistently... I don't care whether it's from mid-range or from behind the arc.

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    From a raw talent point maybe he is, but there is so much more that goes into talent than what a player can physically do by himself. The game of basketball is a mental game, that is why so many players with the tools to be great end up being complete flops.

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    I think Bird envisions Lance running the show one of these days, but right now they're trying not to put too much responsibility on his shoulders. They're trying to slowly break him in with out doing damage to the team in the process.
    I understand the need to not put pressure on him...but I don't see why he shouldn't be the primary ball handler that can initiate the offense when he is on the floor. If his skillset lends more to passing and creating for others...then shouldn't he be that guy handling the ball when he is on the floor instead of passing the ball off to AJ/DC/GH?
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    Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

    As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?
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    L.Stephenson looks like Pacers best facilitator, yet plays w/ 0 play makers, is this the best recipe for his success?
    Should we not take a look at plaing him more w/ the starters?
    I have been beating this drum for some time now..
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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

    Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.
    He said opinions can't be lies.

    Are you saying Larry's lying too?

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    I understand the need to not put pressure on him...but I don't see why he shouldn't be the primary ball handler that can initiate the offense when he is on the floor. If his skillset lends more to passing and creating for others...then shouldn't he be that guy handling the ball when he is on the floor instead of passing the ball off to AJ/DC/GH?
    I'd like to see him running the offense, but I can't argue with the strategy the coaches have decided to go with. Lance seems more comfortable in his roll, and he's becoming more consistent so I'd say the switch has been good for him. If he keeps playing like he has been he'll get another chance to run the PG.


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    Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

    As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?
    That's Lance. He's got the skills, just not the know how yet. It's easier to learn how to be PG than it is to learn court vision or passing. That's why we're taking the time to develop him IMO.
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    Should we not take a look at plaing him more w/ the starters?
    He was feeding Roy well last night - me likey!
    I am a reformed Lance Hater...at least for now. He's playing smarter by the game, he's defending far, far better....and better than I thought possible. I would love to see him start at PG.

    I honestly think DC would make for instant offense off the bench...and with guys like Lou, Foster, Pendy and Dahntay, well, you need that. Only issue is DC's ego. ...and no, I don't think DC is an all-star. He's a whole lot better than the guy we moved to get him...and he's the best PG since JT...but he simply doesn't see the floor well enough and pass well enough to really help the other players on offense. He's much better zipping around the court acting like a SG. Very effective at that.

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    Lance needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Polar oppisite of B Rush. He willl make turnovers mixed with flashes of brillance, but it beats standing in the corner
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    For baseball fans who appreciate comparisons, I hope Lance is an Eric Davis, but sometimes I fear he is more Willy Mo Pena.
    ... or the more recent Josh Hamilton, considering his troubles off the field. Still pissed the Reds traded him

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    Lance needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Polar oppisite of B Rush. He willl make turnovers mixed with flashes of brillance, but it beats standing in the corner
    How bout the rebound, then no look pass to Lou ? That's what we need on the break.

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    If we don't make any moves for a point guard, I could see Lance becoming our starting pg in the next few years. We haven't had the opportunity to see Lance play with the starters very much, but I'm sure it would be a sight to see. I would also like to see more of Lance and PG on the court together.

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    Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

    As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?
    I look at Lance kinda like an anti-Tebow, they are opposite. Lance is lacking the intangible qualities Larry is looking for in a floor general role. He has all the talent and skills to do the job, but can he lead men? Does he have the camaraderie with the team to develop trust? Not yet is the answer to both of those questions. But once Lance does finally attain all of these intangible character traits then his natural basketball ability will blossom before our eyes and Larry's vision of Lance will be visible on the court for all to see.

    The reason I have hope that all of this will happen is because every human being has to grow and mature eventually. It's not like a Tebow situation where we have to completely tear him down and reform him with a new set of skills. He can do the job, he is just not mentally ready.
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    I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

    Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.
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