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    Is there any excuse if Roy Hibbert is not named an Eastern Conference All-Star reserve? Let's take a look at the competition for the slot, starting with Roy's numbers and credentials.



    Roy Hibbert Per 36

    PPG: 14.0 PPG 17.2
    RPG 9.8 RPG 11.9
    APG 1.8 APG 2.2
    BPG 1.8 BPG 2.2
    FG% 52.5%
    MPG 29.5
    Team Record - 15-6

    Greg Monroe
    PPG 15.9 PPG 17.6
    RPG 9.6 RPG 10.6
    APG 2.5 APG 2.8
    BPG .5 BPG .6
    FG% 51.5
    MPG 32.5
    Team Record- 4-20

    Tyson Chandler

    PPG 11.0 PPG 11.7
    RPG 10.1 RPG 10.8
    APG 1.1 APG 1.2
    BPG 1.3 BPG 1.4
    FG% .704
    MPG 33.8
    Team Record- 8-14


    Joakim Noah

    PPG 8.3 PPG 10.4
    RPG 9.2 RPG 11.7
    APG 2.2 APG 2.8
    BPG 1.2 BPG 1.5
    FG% .467
    MPG 28.2
    Team Record- 19-6

    Only Noah is on a team comparable to the Pacers, and Noah is having a down year and doesn't compare statistically, and imo in terms of impact as Roy. Chandler has the great FG% but doesn't score on anything really but lobs and can't create offense like Hibbert can. Monroe is closest to Hibbert statistically, but Hibbert brings comparable offense and passing and has a fair advantage on the boards, and dominates Monroe defensively and in shotblocking.

    The only way I see Roy not making it is if they tried to squeeze Bosh into the center spot, which I doubt they will do since really there isn't some forward that is going to be a huge snub this year that bosh would be taking up space for.

    Normally I don't care much about All-Star appearances, but for a young emotional guy like Roy this could be huge for his development and confidence. Feel free to use this thread to discuss the performance of Roy and his competition as he makes his push to represent our Pacers in Orlando this year!

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    Wow. Is Chandler really shooting 70%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AesopRockOn View Post
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    Wow. Is Chandler really shooting 70%?
    Yep, he's all lobs and dunks, none the less it's impressive. He's been the one bright spot in New Yorks otherwise terrible year imo.

    He's still not worth that contract to that team though, he clogs the lane and hurts Amare's game.

    Roy is still better though, being able to create offense is infinitely more valuable than what Chandler gives you on that end unless you have an elite PG creating constantly for him. Both are good defensive anchors.

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    So who got the nod

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    We won't know till Tuesday on who the coaches picked as reserves....


    Also.. something I found discouraging while perusing the all-star page ---> http://www.nba.com/2012/allstar/2012...s=iref:nbahpt2

    Here are the tallied fan votes for the East Starting Center

    Centers:
    Dwight Howard (Orl) 1,600,390; Joakim Noah (Chi) 236,497; Tyson Chandler (NYK) 163,077; Joel Anthony (Mia) 101,307; JaVale McGee (Was) 63,765; Al Horford (Atl) 50,396.

    JaVale McGee..? Joel Anthony? Please...!!
    ... talk about bandwagon voting..

    Roy isn't even listed as a top 6 vote getter ... WTFF?!??
    (I don't know about any of you all, but I voted every day lol)

    /SMDH

    I sure hope the coaches are smarter than the fans in their voting .. lol

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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    Here is the full listing of Starters and votes..

    http://www.nba.com/2012/allstar/2012...s=iref:nbahpt2


    The leaders of both the Eastern and Western Conference players for the first returns of 2012 NBA All-Star Balloting presented by Sprint are below.



    Eastern Conference
    F -- Carmelo Anthony, New York
    F -- LeBron James, Miami
    C -- Dwight Howard, Orlando
    G -- Derrick Rose, Chicago
    G -- Dwyane Wade, Miami
    Head coach: TBD


    Western Conference
    F -- Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers
    F -- Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City
    C -- Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers
    G -- Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
    G -- Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers
    Head coach: TBD


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    Eastern Conference Balloting | Presented by Sprint

    Forwards:
    LeBron James (Mia) 1,360,680;
    Carmelo Anthony (NYK) 1,041,290;
    Amar'e Stoudemire (NYK) 383,734;
    Kevin Garnett (Bos) 367,914;
    Chris Bosh (Mia) 324,605;
    Luol Deng (Chi) 276,205;
    Paul Pierce (Bos) 215,020;
    Carlos Boozer (Chi) 175,828;
    Andrea Bargnani (Tor) 152,362;
    Josh Smith (Atl) 119,638.


    Guards:
    Derrick Rose (Chi) 1,514,723;
    Dwyane Wade (Mia) 1,334,223;
    Rajon Rondo (Bos) 547,110;
    Ray Allen (Bos) 382,147;
    Deron Williams (NJN) 208,697;
    Jose Calderon (Tor) 132,167;
    Richard Hamilton (Chi) 111,368;
    John Wall (Was) 96,606;
    Kyrie Irving (Cle) 96,346;
    Joe Johnson (Atl) 66,145.


    Centers:
    Dwight Howard (Orl) 1,600,390;
    Joakim Noah (Chi) 236,497;
    Tyson Chandler (NYK) 163,077;
    Joel Anthony (Mia) 101,307;
    JaVale McGee (Was) 63,765;
    Al Horford (Atl) 50,396.


    Western Conference Balloting | Presented by Sprint

    Forwards:
    Kevin Durant (OKC) 1,345,566;
    Blake Griffin (LAC) 876,451;
    Pau Gasol (LAL) 470,353;
    Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 468,435;
    Kevin Love (Min) 373,880;
    LaMarcus Aldridge (Por) 279,500;
    Tim Duncan (SA) 185,069;
    Lamar Odom (Dal) 142,830;
    Danilo Gallinari (Den) 110,245;
    Rudy Gay (Mem) 95,228.

    Guards:
    Kobe Bryant (LAL) 1,555,479;
    Chris Paul (LAC) 1,138,743;
    Ricky Rubio (Min) 397,456;
    Steve Nash (Pho) 276,268;
    Russell Westbrook (OKC) 262,186;
    Kyle Lowry (Hou) 185,584;
    Monta Ellis (GS) 156,603;
    Chauncey Billups (LAC) 120,961;
    Jason Kidd (Dal) 114,924;
    Manu Ginobili (SA) 111,273.

    Centers:
    Andrew Bynum (LAL) 1,051,945;
    DeAndre Jordan (LAC) 322,056;
    Marc Gasol (Mem) 285,525;
    NenÍ (Den) 207,102;
    Marcin Gortat (Pho) 136,168;
    Kendrick Perkins (OKC) 99,811.






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    Plumlee reminds me of a young Dale Davis. Good rebounding and he contests shots well on defense and his offensive game is very raw just like DD's was coming out of college.
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    We won't know till Tuesday on who the coaches picked as reserves....


    Also.. something I found discouraging while perusing the all-star page ---> http://www.nba.com/2012/allstar/2012...s=iref:nbahpt2

    Here are the tallied fan votes for the East Starting Center

    Centers:
    Dwight Howard (Orl) 1,600,390; Joakim Noah (Chi) 236,497; Tyson Chandler (NYK) 163,077; Joel Anthony (Mia) 101,307; JaVale McGee (Was) 63,765; Al Horford (Atl) 50,396.

    JaVale McGee..? Joel Anthony? Please...!!
    ... talk about bandwagon voting..

    Roy isn't even listed as a top 6 vote getter ... WTFF?!??
    (I don't know about any of you all, but I voted every day lol)

    /SMDH

    I sure hope the coaches are smarter than the fans in their voting .. lol

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    Thankfully the coaches are much more objective than your average fan, who likely knows well no more than 5 or 6 players that don't play on his or her preferred team. Roy has gotten nice all-star hype from a few high profile venues, as long as the pacers don't fall apart i'm confident he'll get the nod.

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    Chandler is a lock. Noah will be competition

    Javale is better than people know.

    Roy's got a shot.

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    Thankfully the coaches are much more objective than your average fan, who likely knows no more than what they are shown on ESPN.
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    Chandler is a lock. Noah will be competition

    Javale is better than people know.

    Roy's got a shot.
    Idk why in the world Roy wouldn't...who will the coach for the eastern be? Thibideau? I like our chances if he is...

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    Chandler is a lock. Noah will be competition

    Javale is better than people know.

    Roy's got a shot.
    How in the world is Chandler a lock? It's bad enough that Melo is a starter, but the Knicks are terrible, and I doubt they get another All-Star out of the Coach's vote, particularly when Roy is outplaying him and on a much, much better team.

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    Javale is better than people know.
    Better than people know or not, but a player on a 4-18 team shouldn't be an all-star. Same thing with Monroe.
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    Chandler is a lock. Noah will be competition

    Javale is better than people know.

    Roy's got a shot.
    No he is not he is really overrated he is the definition of empty stats imo. The stats he puts up dont indicate how he effects the game. He plays so stupid on both ends he really isnt near all star level he hurts his team in some games as much as he helps them in others.

    He is a major reason along with Blatche why the Wizards are so bad. I wouldn't want him on my team

    Chandler is a lock?? LOL Noah has no shot to make the team he has been awful all season.

    It will ethier be Roy which it should be or it will be Chandler.


    Do you pick the most important player on the 4th seed or the 3rd most important on a fringe playoff team who is playing worse than they should be.

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    javale is worse than people know. the first thing people will look up a player they don't know is their stats. javale has gaudy stats but is actually a terrible defender and has zero bball iq.

    i have never seen anyone block as many shots and also was as bad at defending as javale. i seriously doubt he gets a coach's vote. it'll be between chandler, hibbert and noah.

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    Roy's a lock for all-star reserve, IMO. Not only is he having a good season, opposing coaches will want the Pacers to have to pay more for him when we inevitably match whatever he's offered.

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    I hate the all star game. People give the players who make it way too much status. As if that makes them a better player.

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    Better than people know or not, but a player on a 4-18 team shouldn't be an all-star. Same thing with Monroe.
    No. Monroe plays legitimately good. He is a very good offensive player, a good rebounder and a great passer. He could have a shot in being in the ASG. McGee shouldn't.

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    Chandler and Hibbert are really the only centers who should be considered. Personally, I would give the nod to Hibberts, since he can create his own offense whereas Chandler's offense (to my knowledge) relys on a good PG and is mostly lobs and putback dunks. Plus, Roy is putting up better numbers, minus FG% and rebounds, while playing 4 minutes less than Chandler.

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    Roy's a lock for all-star reserve, IMO. Not only is he having a good season, opposing coaches will want the Pacers to have to pay more for him when we inevitably match whatever he's offered.
    Not seeing the logic in this statement. If we pay more, we pay more. GMs are going to see value in Hibbert with or without an All-Star appearence.

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    No. Monroe plays legitimately good. He is a very good offensive player, a good rebounder and a great passer. He could have a shot in being in the ASG. McGee shouldn't.
    His team is 4 - 20. Not good enough to make the ASG in my book.
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    I say lock on Chandler because he was great last year, he's been very good this year, and coached are somewhat swayed by name when it's close.

    Javale is not empty stats in my book. Really fine shot blocker and decent defender. I think Roy's better this year, and the team record will also factor in. But Javale is for real.

    I do think Roy will get his first nod, and Danny will miss.

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    Javale is not empty stats in my book. Really fine shot blocker and decent defender. I think Roy's better this year, and the team record will also factor in. But Javale is for real.
    I think when the coach before the season challenges a player to be a player of substance over a player of highlights, is a sign it's that it's empty.

    The player McGee defends has a PER rating of 18.3 with 54% eFG%. Roy gives up a PER of 13.9 on 48% in the same category. Counting offense and defensive stats per 100 possessions, the Wizards are 11 points better when McGee is on the bench. Certainly looks hollow looking at the stats. In contrast the Pacers are 6 points better when Roy is on the floor.

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