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    A lot of the Kaman discussion is focused on whether he makes us better. To me, it's a no-brainer that he does (provided we don't give up much to get him).

    What should be weighed, though, isn't "Is it better to get Kaman or do nothing." It's "Is it better to get Kaman or do X" where X could be.... what?

    The purpose of this thread is to find all available values of X. What players are likely to be available for a combination of AJ Price, our 1st-round pick, our 2nd-round pick, the Warriors' 2nd-round pick, Stanko Barac, and $14mil in cap space?

    EDIT: The following teams are over the 2012 salary cap of $70.3mil.

    1 Los Angeles Lakers $87,865,859
    2 Boston Celtics $79,205,308
    3 Miami Heat $77,261,861
    4 Dallas Mavericks $74,825,424
    5 San Antonio Spurs $73,158,034
    6 Memphis Grizzlies $71,411,715
    7 Atlanta Hawks $70,442,035
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    I'll kick things off. One deal I'd be looking at would be acquiring Morrow from the Nets, then Jermaine O'Neal from the Celtics. We should be able to get both of those players without giving up our 1st.
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    Toronto is looking to move either Calderon or Barbosa for cap space and a pick, I think they could be combined.

    Nash, probably a pick plus DC.

    Devin Harris: pretty much for free.

    Felton: He is not fitting with the Blazers and could be moved.
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    I'll kick things off. One deal I'd be looking at would be acquiring Morrow from the Nets, then Jermaine O'Neal from the Celtics. We should be able to get both of those players without giving up our 1st.
    Why would the Celtics trade O'Neal tho? they all ready suck enough at the position with him!
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    Why would the Celtics trade O'Neal tho? they all ready suck enough at the position with him!
    I expect them to fall apart as the season goes on. If that starts to happen, they're better off dealing their expiring contracts to pick up assets (small as they might be) and get a better pick.
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    I'll kick things off. One deal I'd be looking at would be acquiring Morrow from the Nets, then Jermaine O'Neal from the Celtics. We should be able to get both of those players without giving up our 1st.
    For Boston, I'd rather go after a healthy body like Brandon Bass then go after JONeal. The only way that I'd go after JONeal is if the Celtics included incentive like a 1st ( doubt it ) or JuJuan Johnson. If all things were equal...I don't mind having JONeal as the Backup Center....but he'd be as effective as Foster is right now.....which is not that effective since he simply cannot stay healthy enough ( and therefore relied upon ) to make a difference.
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    For Boston, I'd rather go after a healthy body like Brandon Bass then go after JONeal.
    It's all about cost, man. Jermaine would be cheap, Bass would be expensive.

    What would you give up to get Bass?
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    It's all about cost, man. Jermaine would be cheap, Bass would be expensive.

    What would you give up to get Bass?
    They are both expiring Contracts ( Bass has a Team option ). Bass is healthy...JONeal isn't. A healthy Bass is owed $4.25 mil and an injured JONeal is $6.22 mil. I'd give up a 2nd round pick and a TPE to get Bass.

    My preferance is to take on Bass over JONeal as he's more healthy...he's totally fits my description for a Backup Big Man ( yes, he's more of a PF than he is a Center...but he will do ):

    - Bass is paid like a Backup Frontcourt Player should be ( $4.25 mil this year and $4.25 mil Team Option next season )
    - Bass is good enough to fill in as Starter ( if needed ) on a temporary basis.
    - Bass has a fairly decent midrange jumpshot and overall offensive game.

    We shouldn't have to give up too much to get either JONeal or Bass. If ( as you suggest ) the Celtics are headed downhill and wants to shed salary, we are in the driver's seat when it comes to the "Asking price".
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    brandon bass is a guy with some skills, but the dude is short. 6-6.25 in socks. that makes him 2 inches shorter than tyler, an inch shorter than danny. pacers are short enough at the 4 as it is. not going to say JO is the answer, cause he isn't, but pacers need size in the frontcourt.

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    They are both expiring Contracts ( Bass has a Team option ). Bass is healthy...JONeal isn't. A healthy Bass is owed $4.25 mil and an injured JONeal is $6.22 mil. I'd give up a 2nd round pick and a TPE to get Bass.

    My preferance is to take on Bass over JONeal as he's more healthy...he's totally fits my description for a Backup Big Man ( yes, he's more of a PF than he is a Center...but he will do ):

    - Bass is paid like a Backup Frontcourt Player should be ( $4.25 mil this year and $4.25 mil Team Option next season )
    - Bass is good enough to fill in as Starter ( if needed ) on a temporary basis.
    - Bass has a fairly decent midrange jumpshot and overall offensive game.

    We shouldn't have to give up too much to get either JONeal or Bass. If ( as you suggest ) the Celtics are headed downhill and wants to shed salary, we are in the driver's seat when it comes to the "Asking price".

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    Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood, possibly Odom, but I'm not sure who else. I've been saying for weeks that I expect the Pacers to get Marion if anyone.

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    Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood, possibly Odom, but I'm not sure who else. I've been saying for weeks that I expect the Pacers to get Marion if anyone.
    Pass on Brandon Haywood and his 5 year $36 to 46 mil contract. As for Marion....he'd be an impact Player....but I'm not sure about his 3 year / $25 mil contract. As for Odom, he's an emotional wreak since leaving LaLaLand...so pass. Jason Terry is the only Player from the Mavs that I'd consider.....he'd be as "clutch" as JCraw is....but I doubt that the Mavs would part with him.
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    Pass on Brandon Haywood and his 5 year $36 to 46 mil contract. As for Marion....he'd be an impact Player....but I'm not sure about his 3 year / $25 mil contract. As for Odom, he's an emotional wreak since leaving LaLaLand...so pass. Jason Terry is the only Player from the Mavs that I'd consider.....he'd be as "clutch" as JCraw is....but I doubt that the Mavs would part with him.
    Marion still has 3 years on his contract??? At a little over $8M. Wow. I wanted Marion till I knew that.
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    Marion still has 3 years on his contract??? At a little over $8M. Wow. I wanted Marion till I knew that.
    http://www.hoopsworld.com/dallas-mavericks-team-salary

    Shawn Marion
    2011-2012 - $7,725,932
    2012-2013 - $8,396,364
    2013-2014 - $9,066,796-Early Termination Option

    Total Guaranteed owed - $25.19 mil over 3 years

    Brendan Haywood
    2011-2012 - $7,624,500
    2012-2013 - $8,349,000
    2013-2014 - $9,073,500
    2014-2015 - $9,798,000
    2015-2016 - $10,522,500-Non Guaranteed Contract

    Total Guaranteed - $34.845 owed over the next 4 seasons

    Marion's Contract isn't THAT bad....I just don't want any contracts that last beyond the 2012-2013 season.
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    Im still thinkin Mayo could be had. To me that would be a nice scenerio: G Hill get back healthy, and aquire Mayo, both are free agents at the end of the year. We could sign one , neither or both.

    If Boston slides, possibly they look to start the rebuilding process and we could offer cap relief and players/picks for Rondo

    Jordan Crawford in Atlanta could be nice, but soeant help their salary cap issues

    If amd its a big if, Dallas starts to realise they wont be able to get back to the finals this year, and they think they can bag both Darren Williams nad Dwight Howard , we could make a run at Jason Kidd, or Shawn Marion
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    Farmar and morrow for aj and warriors 2nd

    Mayo for first

    Ck for second

    And tbh the first two could be combined but would probably be excessive

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    Im still thinkin Mayo could be had. To me that would be a nice scenerio: G Hill get back healthy, and aquire Mayo, both are free agents at the end of the year. We could sign one , neither or both.

    If Boston slides, possibly they look to start the rebuilding process and we could offer cap relief and players/picks for Rondo

    Jordan Crawford in Atlanta could be nice, but soeant help their salary cap issues

    If amd its a big if, Dallas starts to realise they wont be able to get back to the finals this year, and they think they can bag both Darren Williams nad Dwight Howard , we could make a run at Jason Kidd, or Shawn Marion
    Jordan Crawford? He plays for the Wizards and is complete garbage! If your thinking Jamal Crawford, he plays for Portland and we already tried signing him in the offseason and he rejected us.

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    Jordan Crawford? He plays for the Wizards and is complete garbage! If your thinking Jamal Crawford, he plays for Portland and we already tried signing him in the offseason and he rejected us.
    my bad , your right. He plays for the Wizzards, but not "complete garbage" to me at all


    in the last 10 games he is averaging roughly 14 points and 4 assits in 25 minutes
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    Jordan Crawford? He plays for the Wizards and is complete garbage! If your thinking Jamal Crawford, he plays for Portland and we already tried signing him in the offseason and he rejected us.
    my bad , your right. He plays for the Wizzards, but not "complete garbage" to me at all


    in the last 10 games he is averaging roughly 14 points and 4 assits in 25 minutes

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4243/jordan-crawford

    he gets more assits than DC in much less minutes , on a bad Wizzards team
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    He's also got the worst shot selection of anyone in the entire league!

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    He's also got the worst shot selection of anyone in the entire league!
    in your opinion

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    Just think'n...
    Kaman & DC to Boston
    Price, 2nd, cap to NOH
    Rondo, JO to IN

    Could not get EJ this summer w/o trading Danny or getting a 3rd team involved. If that came to be I'd try to use Min & they could send D.Williams to NOH, or something along those lines....
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    Just think'n...
    Kaman & DC to Boston
    Price, 2nd, cap to NOH
    Rondo, JO to IN

    Could not get EJ this summer w/o trading Danny or getting a 3rd team involved. If that came to be I'd try to use Min & they could send D.Williams to NOH, or something along those lines....
    yea like Boston would ever trade Rondo for Kaman and DC

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    yea like Boston would ever trade Rondo for Kaman and DC
    Yeah, that's pretty awful for the Celts.

    They'll almost certainly hold onto Rondo. If they move anybody, it would probably be Allen and Jermaine.
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    Im still thinkin Mayo could be had.
    We would have to give up a ton to get Mayo right now he's been their best player here of late. He's averaging 15.2 PPG off their bench the last 10 games and is their only source of outside shooting. It would take Tyler and a 2nd with us taking back Speights to even get them remotely interested.

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    We would have to give up a ton to get Mayo right now he's been their best player here of late. He's averaging 15.2 PPG off their bench the last 10 games and is their only source of outside shooting. It would take Tyler and a 2nd with us taking back Speights to even get them remotely interested.
    are you saying Tyler and a 2nd for Speights and Mayo??
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