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    If the Denver Nuggets hadnít agreed to give free agent big man Nene a fifth year when they offered him a new contract in December he would now be a member of the Indiana Pacers. It was that close to happening. Pacers GM David Morway didnít want to make substantial changes to the team that had come together so quickly and played so well under new head coach Frank Vogel; rather, he wanted to make one or two key additions to solidify their front court. His first step was adding All-Star power forward David West, and he would happily have spent the money to add Nene, as well.

    The Nuggets did give Nene the fifth year, of course, and the coveted big man returned to Denver, but that doesnít mean Morway isnít still interested in adding size to his front court to complement budding star Roy Hibbert at center.

    Enter the New Orleans Hornets . . .and center Chris Kaman.

    The Hornets werenít looking for a center when they started shopping Chris Paul. They were actually looking for help in the backcourt. The trade they initiated with the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets brought Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic and Luis Scola to town . . .though, of course, that trade was nixed by NBA Commissioner/Hornets owner David Stern. When the subsequent (approved) trade with the Los Angeles Clippers brought Chris Kaman to town it was really more about his ending contract that any desire on the Hornetsí part to add a second starting center behind Emeka Okafor.

    That part of the relationship didnít last long, either, as Kaman has been asked to stay away from the team until GM Dell Demps can complete a trade sending him elsewhere.

    Naturally, a number of teams are interested in Kaman, as quality starting centers are in increasingly short supply in the NBA. Make no mistake, when Kaman is healthy he is a quality starting center. He averaged 18.5 points and 9.3 rebounds in 76 games in 2009-10, but has struggled with a number of injuries since then. He was off to a solid start to 2011-12 with the Hornets, though seeing limited minutes, averaging 9.2 points and 6.6 rebounds.

    The Pacers are said to be the frontrunners in the Chris Kaman sweepstakes, though the Houston Rockets are also actively engaged in the discussion. Indiana has enough cap space to absorb Kaman without sending any contracts back to New Orleans. The Rockets have the 2012 draft pick New Orleans wants, but they would need to send contract dollars back to New Orleans and that might be a deterrent for the Hornets. Houston is looking to unload baggage Ė Hasheem Thabeet, specifically Ė or underachieving players like Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams or Jonny Flynn.

    The Hornets are believed to favor sending Kaman to Indiana, thus avoiding unnecessary salary burden, and itís a move that could make the Pacers scary good. They are already right on the heels of the Chicago Bulls and in a virtual tie with Philadelphia, Miami and Atlanta for second in the Eastern Conference. Adding one more big man to the mix could put Indiana a step ahead of the rest of the East, save probably Chicago and Miami.

    Stay tuned . . .it sounds like the Hornets will make a decision on where to trade Kaman in the next couple of days.
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    Well, I think Kaman makes us better (depending on what we give up, but assuming very little besides cap space), and frankly the way we've been playing I'm starting to think we're a darkhorse contender now... so, yeah.

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    Having a legit center come off the bench to backup the 2nd best center in the East? Sounds good. This team is already 15-6 with 14 road games. If the Pacers are not a contender right now, adding Kaman would have to push them over the edge.

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    First I've heard that we were interested in bringing both Nene and West here together. I don't buy that at all. I drool at the front court awesome a Nene/West/Hibbert front court rotation with sprinklings of Foster and Hans would have been though.

    The addition of Kaman gives us probably the deepest front court in the league. I mean 3 good starter quality players and 3 solid role players.

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    If all we have to give up is cap space I think we do this for sure. No question it makes us better and if DJones keeps playing the way he is and Hill will be back in a few weeks time (I know, the jury is out on both), we can hold steady at the wing. Lou has been looking better lately but there is no question Kaman would be a better fit at the backup C, and is good enough to give us high quality minutes should Roy be out with an injury or on nights when Roy is in foul trouble. He might even be able to play some PF on nights when West and/or Tyler don't have it.

    If we don't get him I won't be sad but the idea of adding him is very intriguing.
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    I wouldn't be opposed to the deal. Like I said in the other thread, I'd wait until the deadline to pull this off.

    If Kaman to the Pacers goes down in the next couple of days, then I'll take it to mean that Bird doesn't think he can find any better use for the capspace this season.

    Kaman would make the Pacers more dangerous in the playoffs, but I don't see him helping the Pacers get much farther past the first round.
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    I still would like to see some upgrade in our backcourt... But we would be a team that no one would want to play in a seven game series...

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    If the Denver Nuggets hadnít agreed to give free agent big man Nene a fifth year when they offered him a new contract in December he would now be a member of the Indiana Pacers. It was that close to happening. Pacers GM David Morway didnít want to make substantial changes to the team that had come together so quickly and played so well under new head coach Frank Vogel; rather, he wanted to make one or two key additions to solidify their front court. His first step was adding All-Star power forward David West, and he would happily have spent the money to add Nene, as well.

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    I guess I'll look at it like this Hibbert & Kaman is greater than Noah & Asik so that would give us a leg up there.


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    Add Kaman and a 3 pt specialist and yes. But im not so sure we are if we don't add both.

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    Does adding Kaman make the Pacers better? Yes.

    Does adding him make the Pacers better than the Heat or Bulls? I don't think so.

    I'd be fine acquiring him for almost nothing but I'm fine if we don't too. It's Simon's toy so I'd defer to his wishes. If he doesn't want to pay the added salary for a backup center I'm ok with that. If it were someone I thought could push us over the hump, I'd feel differently.

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    Anyone think these reports could be leaked by the Pacers in hopes of catching the attention of other teams for trades?

    I'm sure there will be a couple of other teams calling the Pacers to see if they're interested in making a trade with them because of this... if they weren't already doing so.

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    For those that would be concerned about giving up a 1st on a possible rental of Kaman ( and therefore reluctant to do that )......what do you think about this?

    Rockets send out - 1st round pick from the Rockets or Knicks ( pick whichever one ) + Jordan Hill + Courtney Lee or TWill ( pick 1 )
    Rockets receive - Kaman

    Pacers send out - TPE + Pacers 2nd round pick
    Pacers receive - 1st round pick from the Rockets or Knicks ( pick whichever one would be lower ) + Jordan Hill + Courtney Lee or TWill ( pick 1 )

    Hornets send out - Kaman
    Hornets receive - TPE + Pacers 2nd round pick


    This could be tweeked where the Hornets get Courtney Lee or TWill.


    I know that Kaman would be the better player....but we get a Backup PF/C ( Jordan Hill ) that would make sense when it comes to playing 15-18 mpg that is young along with trying out a WingMan ( Courtney or TWill ), we get a 1st round pick while getting to keep our 1st round pick.

    If Courtney Lee or TWill is sent to the Hornets....would there be a caproom to go after Morrow?

    I can tell you that it's certainly tempting..
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    I guess I'll look at it like this Hibbert & Kaman is greater than Noah & Asik so that would give us a leg up there.
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    You are talking about a guy that would upgrade 17-22 minutes of the game. I don't really think this would change our "contender" status at all.

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    Add Kaman and a 3 pt specialist and yes. But im not so sure we are if we don't add both.
    We already have a 3 point specialist in PG.

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    I think I heard vnzla crying all the way to my place after reading the first sentence on that one.

    As far as being a contender? I think we'd be about as close as you can be without actually being one.

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    First I've heard that we were interested in bringing both Nene and West here together. I don't buy that at all. I drool at the front court awesome a Nene/West/Hibbert front court rotation with sprinklings of Foster and Hans would have been though.

    The addition of Kaman gives us probably the deepest front court in the league. I mean 3 good starter quality players and 3 solid role players.
    Holy ****! I'm glad you said something or else I would have completely missed that part.

    Wow; now it's even more obvious why we let Posey go. This is mind-blowing to me that we were going to almost have BOTH of these guys coming in. I never, ever considered that possibility. How crazy deep would we be had DEN decided to not go for that 5th year? That would have been insane.

    So who gets squeezed in that scenario? West, or Nene, or Roy has to come off the bench in that scenario. I have to assume the idea was to let Tyler and Roy come off the bench while the more established talents (West and Nene) start together.

    That almost certainly would have been a huge blow to Roy's future earnings, but at the same time that front court is insanely good. Wow.

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    You are talking about a guy that would upgrade 17-22 minutes of the game. I don't really think this would change our "contender" status at all.
    Yeah Kaman by himself won't but he could make us better and if Roy gets hurt or in foul trouble we know we can count on Kaman to replace him.

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    It all depends on the point guard position. Is Collison adequate enough. The problem is we know that Darren cannot guard Rose, so Paul George and George Hill will have to - but what does that leave for Collison to do and how does that impact our overall defense and offense.

    If we get Kaman our frontcourt is set.

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    Holy ****! I'm glad you said something or else I would have completely missed that part.

    Wow; now it's even more obvious why we let Posey go. This is mind-blowing to me that we were going to almost have BOTH of these guys coming in. I never, ever considered that possibility. How crazy deep would we be had DEN decided to not go for that 5th year? That would have been insane.

    So who gets squeezed in that scenario? West, or Nene, or Roy has to come off the bench in that scenario. I have to assume the idea was to let Tyler and Roy come off the bench while the more established talents (West and Nene) start together.

    That almost certainly would have been a huge blow to Roy's future earnings, but at the same time that front court is insanely good. Wow.
    According to the reports I read at that time Nene was going to play PF with Hibbert as the center, Tyler was going to be the one not getting much playing time I think.

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    It all depends on the point guard position. Is Collison adequate enough. The problem is we know that Darren cannot guard Rose, so Paul George and George Hill will have to - but what does that leave for Collison to do and how does that impact our overall defense and offense.

    If we get Kaman our frontcourt is set.
    For this season...it would be set...next season, I guess the FO would have to go shopping again
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    You are talking about a guy that would upgrade 17-22 minutes of the game. I don't really think this would change our "contender" status at all.
    Wait, what? Improving our performance by 17-22 minutes per game is a serious, significant boost IMO. Especially at the 5. How many teams have TWO legit, big scoring centers to bring into a game like that?

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    For this season...it would be set...next season, I guess the FO would have to go shopping again
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