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    Default Are the Pacers really tied for the best record in the NBA?

    I realize there are some flaws with this, and certainly by the end of the year it all evens out. But years ago someone told me the best way to figure out what an NBA teams real record is, is to take road wins and subtract homes losses.

    And if you use this formula the Pacers are tied with the Bulls and the Thunder with a record of +8.

    Pacers have 9 road wins and 1 home loss = +8.
    Thunder and Bulls have the exact same 9 road wins and 1 home loss.

    some other teams of interest.

    Sixers +2
    Hawks +7
    Heat +4
    Magic +2
    Bulls +8
    PACERS +8

    Thunder +8
    Clippers +1
    Nuggets +3
    Mavs +1
    Blazers +2
    Spurs +2

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    Default Re: Are the Pacers really tied for the best record in the NBA?

    nice way to look at it but I dont think we can say they are a top tier team yet. I think if George becomes truly consistent they can get there. But not yet.

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    Wow. Regardless of how you want to look at this, the best part of your equation is that the Pacers have the same amount of road wins as the Bulls and Thunder.

    That's impressive. Last year's Pacers team was horrible on the road. Did they even win 15 games on the road last year?

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    Fascinating.

    I was noticing that we have the same number of losses as all the teams above us. We just haven't played as many games.
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    I'm not sure about this, but regardless this team has taken a major step in becoming a legit contenders by winning road games. This is the first time in quite a while the Pacers have a winning road record, and convincing wins coming from strong home courts like Chicago and LA.

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    UB...should we take into consideration the quality of the opponents?

    I'm wondering how many Teams that we have played that are under or over .500
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    Philly is the team I think is going to fall off down the stretch. They've played a ton of games at home, and have virtually the same record as Indy. Indy's played two thirds of their games on the road... the Sixers have played two thirds of their games at home.

    I think once Philly hits the road, we'll see them drop in the standings.

    Also, Indy has had one of the toughest strengths of schedule thus far.
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    Also, Indy has had one of the toughest strengths of schedule thus far.
    The pacers have had the 7th easiest schedule in the entire league

    http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

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    Ya I just saw that... I coulda swore when I looked 2-3 days ago we were like 5th.

    Its hard to imagine our SOS being so low, wonder if that list is wrong? Look at this stretch before the Nets/Wolves games:

    Miami
    Boston
    Charlotte
    Philly
    Atlanta
    Toronto
    Boston
    Sacramento
    GS
    Lakers
    Magic
    Bulls
    Celtics
    Magic


    Bolded are +.500. Lot of those games were on the road, guess that doesn't factor into SOS either. You'd think all those bolds would easily offset the horrible record of GS, Sac, Charlotte, and Toronto. Guess not. The schedule did open up slow in the first 5-6 games.

    It seems like our schedule here in the past 15 games has been pretty rough.
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    The pacers have had the 7th easiest schedule in the entire league

    http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS
    Holy crap, the Knicks have had the easiest schedule in the NBA, and they still are getting kicked around.

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    It's only been tough the last couple of weeks, but we had it easy before that. I wonder if they figure in how many road games we have played when they do the math for the strength of schedule.

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    Ahhh here is what I saw a few days ago:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

    Different schedule rating, and only represents the last 10 games. Not as clear of an overall indicator, but does show our more recent games being tough.
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    You do realize that both those SOS charts show the Bulls schedule roughly as tough as ours....I'll take it...

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    UB...should we take into consideration the quality of the opponents?

    I'm wondering how many Teams that we have played that are under or over .500

    http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Mrg_Cnf.html

    Records against plus .500 teams
    Pacers 8-3
    Heat 8-3
    Bulls 5-4
    Hawks - 4-5
    Sixers 5-4
    Magic 7-5

    OKC 8-3
    Clips 9-5
    Spurs 8-6


    One thing that is impressive about the Sixers is they are 14-1 in games decided by 10 or more. Bulls are 13-3, OKC is 9-3, Pacers 8-3

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    http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Mrg_Cnf.html

    Records against plus .500 teams
    Pacers 8-3
    Heat 8-3
    Bulls 5-4
    Hawks - 4-5
    Sixers 5-4
    Magic 7-5

    OKC 8-3
    Clips 9-5
    Spurs 8-6


    One thing that is impressive about the Sixers is they are 14-1 in games decided by 10 or more. Bulls are 13-3, OKC is 9-3, Pacers 8-3
    Their SOS is way weaker, though... they've had the 2nd easiest schedule... they've played less opponents above .500 than us, and have a worse record against those opponents. They've played at home for 2/3 of their games.

    What I'm gathing is they've been feasting at home against inferior opponents, which is why I think once they hit the road and face some tougher competition, they'll slide.

    What the Pacers are doing is very impressive... their record against quality competition is impressive, and they're doing it mostly on the road.
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    Let's not forget that one of Philly's home wins is vs. us.

    While I know it's wrong to think this I just can't help but believe that if we had Danny & George that game might have ended differently.

    Let's just say I would like to play them again very soon, even without George.


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    http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Mrg_Cnf.html

    Records against plus .500 teams
    Pacers 8-3
    Heat 8-3
    OKC 8-3

    Period.

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    Ahhh here is what I saw a few days ago:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

    Different schedule rating, and only represents the last 10 games. Not as clear of an overall indicator, but does show our more recent games being tough.
    He shows both overall and last 10.

    The Pacer still lead the league in both MOST ROAD GAMES (edit, nope, TOR has played 15, IND 14) and FEWEST HOME GAMES.

    And they've had their share of tough games already.

    Road games remaining against +500 teams = 9

    Dallas
    Atlanta
    Memphis
    FEB 11th
    (then 9 games go by with only the Denver and Miami visits to Indy as big threats)

    Chicago
    Miami
    Orlando
    MARCH 12th

    San Antonio
    Houston
    Philly

    After that March 11 game vs Orlando the Pacers will only have 3 high quality teams left to face on the road. 3 games out of the remaining TWENTY-SEVEN (27).

    That's 24 winnable vs 3 tough, and given the status of Philly (winning at home mostly) and Houston (better but questions), and even the health of the Spurs, the Pacers are really close to being in a position to make an epic run if they only step up to the plate and TCOB.

    And given their road record already, they are in good position to maintain a +500 road record for the year.




    By the way, the "Hammer" ends on Valentines Day when they host the Heat (as mentioned earlier). After that the schedule suggests there will be several long winning streaks possible.
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    I always think road record against +.500 teams is a solid indicator of where a team stands.

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    One thing that is impressive about the Sixers is they are 14-1 in games decided by 10 or more. Bulls are 13-3, OKC is 9-3, Pacers 8-3
    I'm confused by "impressive". If you mean that when you compare their record vs +500 teams to the "14-1" record you realize that what it's showing is that the Sixers have in fact loaded up on beating down bad teams visiting Philly.

    This is not a Sixers team going to Chicago or Dallas and beating them by 10.

    What is their record in CLOSE games, that's usually the measure of a gritty team rather than a front runner who isn't facing adversity.


    Road losses for Philly so far...

    Portland
    Utah
    Knicks
    Miami (by 21)

    Road wins for Philly so far...

    Phoenix (by 20)
    Golden State (by 28)
    New Orleans (by 8)
    Washington (by 13)

    That's it. Not a single +500 victory on the road so far, and only 3 of their 14 wins by +10. 4-4, 0-3 vs +500 on the road.


    And when you think about the Pacers sweet April, take a look at Philly.

    First off, they finish with FIVE STRAIGHT road games. Wow, that's fun. The Pacers didn't even have a 5 game road trip this season and only had 1 four game trip, while the Sixers started with a 4, have that 5 at the end of the year, and have another 4 game trip in FEB.


    They get FOUR (4) home games in April, one of which is the Pacers. They get 10 road games, including Indy, Miami, Boston and Orlando.

    March isn't too bad, 9 home vs 7 road, but 3 of the road games are Indy, Chicago and the Spurs.

    But look at the rest of FEB for them - 6 home games vs 8 road games. Okay not too bad. Who are those home games against anyway, just curious.

    Oh, nobody special, just...
    Miami
    Lakers
    Spurs
    Clippers
    Dallas
    OKC


    Seriously, that's insane. Not one bad team in the mix, and this coming off their victory at home vs Chicago.

    That's their HOME games, the ones when they aren't on the 3 and 4 game road trips, the ones when they aren't playing @ATL or @MEM or @HOU. They literally play every single elite team except Denver and Indy.


    Let's see just what that awesome home record looks like at the end of the month.
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    I'm confused by "impressive". If you mean that when you compare their record vs +500 teams to the "14-1" record you realize that what it's showing is that the Sixers have in fact loaded up on beating down bad teams visiting Philly.
    I am not the stats guy you are.

    I think a teams record in games decided by 10 points or more is an indictor of how good they are.

    I looked at last year and found something very interesting. The Sixers were 26-13 in this category and when you consider they were only a .500 team that is amazing. Sixers blow a lot of teams out.

    Last year
    Bulls 31-5
    Heat 35-6
    Spurs 32-9
    Magic 33-9
    Celtics 30-7
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    Last year's Pacers team was horrible on the road. Did they even win 15 games on the road last year?
    The answer to that would be no.

    They were 24-17 at home and almost perfectly flipped at 13-28 on the road.

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    The answer to that would be no.

    They were 24-17 at home and almost perfectly flipped at 13-28 on the road.
    So, we're 5 wins short of winning more games on the road than last year?

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    Holy crap, the Knicks have had the easiest schedule in the NBA, and they still are getting kicked around.
    Does that thing adjust as the season goes along? It'd have to, wouldn't it?

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    While I still have questions about the Sixers, seeing them really take it to the Bulls last night, it shows they are a very talented team. I still think we would have beat them easily if we had Granger and Hill when we played them. They certainly have benefited from a favorable schedule, but I don't think they are going anywhere. I can see us battling for the 3rd spot with the Sixers.

    And I can't believe I see us finishing third in the East.

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