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    I would like to see us acquire Kaman at a reasonable price but im not sure if it makes us that much better offensively. I like what Bird was trying to do in going after jamal crawford. we need a player like that who can score.

    I think Denari said we were 1 for 19 from three vs the celts, thats not going to win us many games. I like Paul George as much as the next guy, but inserting some more veteran presence into the starting lineup would be the upgrade needed. George off the bench with the second unit would be an upgrade over Kaman, esp if Foster can give us playing time in the postseason.. then bring stanko over next year if he is legit or find fosters replacement via draft or FA.

    Kaman is very intriguing, but b/u center is not this teams glaring weakness. we need offense, and if this trade is made thats pretty much all were going to be able to do the rest of the season.. unless we could turnaround and trade kaman as well.
    I agree with your post that we need a guard who can create their own shot. We also need an upgrade at the point even more IMO.
    I do think that Kaman would help our offense though. He's a better post scorer then anyone we have on the team. Hibbert has came a long way from last year but Kaman is still better, and he hits from inside 15 feet as well. By having Kaman and Hibbert on the floor together in spurts and always having one of them we'd be one of the better post teams in the league. If we could keep Kaman around it would make either Tyler or West expendable to pursue an upgrade at the point, but I wouldn't want to pull that trade off until I knew we had Kaman and Hibbert locked down long term.

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    OK so I was playing with the trade machine and came up with this:


    Indiana Pacers gets: Monta,Biedrins,Jarret Jack.


    Golden State gets: Hill, Ariza, Kaman


    New Orleans gets: Wright, DJ, DC+ picks.



    Indiana Pacers starting unit: Monta,PG,Danny,West,Roy

    bench: AJ,JJ,Lance,Tyler,Briedrins.
    That doesn't make us any better. Monta can score all he wants, he's not doing anything else and has never won anything, Biedrins is God awful. No thanks.

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    That doesn't make us any better. Monta can score all he wants, he's not doing anything else and has never won anything, Biedrins is God awful. No thanks.
    Man I wish I got a dollar anytime somebody says this.....

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    Man I wish I got a dollar anytime somebody says this.....
    I'll give you a dollar every time someone says this if you give me a dollar every time you cook up some crazy trade scenario.

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    I'll give you a dollar every time someone says this if you give me a dollar every time you cook up some crazy trade scenario.
    Oh please!!!! .....

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    I came across this article regarding a Kaman trade and thought I'd post it regarding the 150% trade rule. If someone more knowledgeable then I am would like to give their input I'd appreciate it.
    I think the new cba rule applies as 125% trade range for teams over the LT, and the 150% rule applies to teams that are under the LT but over the cap. It wouldn't make any sense for this rule to apply to teams under the salary cap, so we should be able to offer as little as a second round pick for Kaman and simply absorb his salary. If this is true it's just a matter of waiting until the trade deadline for the Hornets and the NBA to come to terms with the reality that they aren't getting a 1st. round pick or even a young prospect along with salary relief for a player that can be had for nothing this summer and may only stay with his new team for 30 games.

    http://www.atthehive.com/2012/1/28/2...ockets-edition

    Chris Kaman has been been a consummate professional since joining the Hornets, and, if we're being honest, he's really been a lot more than that. He's embraced the city entirely, taking in its various sights, interacting with users on the internet, showing interest in how fans watch the Hornets on television, and just generally being highly appreciative of a situation that was thrust on him abruptly and, it could be said, antagonistically.

    It's why yesterday's announcement that the Hornets are actively looking to trade him is saddening, even if Kaman has only been with the team for a month. But here we are. Kaman has likely played his last game as a member of the New Orleans Hornets, as Dell Demps/David Stern attempt to find a suitable landing spot.
    Yesterday, we were given some insight into potential trade partners:
    Wojnarowski went onto clarify that the Jazz were interested at one point but that Kaman doesn't make too much sense in their loaded frontcourt now. Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix also corroborated the Houston Rockets' inclusion on the list, and also added that the Boston Celtics are interested but don't believe they have the pieces to get a deal done. Wojnarowski also noted later that the Hornets' current asking price is "draft picks, cap space, and a young player," something most teams have balked at.
    We'll start today by looking at how a Chris Kaman to Houston trade could happen, and gradually work our way to the other teams over the next few days. Jump!

    Trade Restrictions

    There are two primary restrictions that affect Chris Kaman trades
    (1) he can't be moved in multi-player deals until February 14th (60 days after the Chris Paul trade). The NBA trade deadline comes about a month after this date - March 15th
    (2) per the new CBA, teams that pay the luxury tax "can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away," and teams that are under the luxury tax (after a trade has been made) "can acquire up to the lesser of 150 percent plus $100,000, or 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries they trade away."
    This means it's theoretically easier to trade Kaman's contract now than it would have been before the lockout. San Antonio is the only team among the three that is in the luxury threshold, but they're close enough to the line that a potential deal could put them under the tax (and make the 150% rule applicable).
    Don't let the "150% + 100K or 100% + 5M" line confuse you too much. The 150% rule will always be the lesser up to a difference of $9.8M in the incoming to outgoing salary in the trade. More on this in one second.
    Chris Kaman's Contract

    Chris Kaman is due $13,672,927 this season, which includes a $1,472,927 trade kicker he received for being dealt from the Clippers. There's a little quirk with the kicker itself that needs to be sorted here. Kaman's pre-kicker salary - about $12,200,00 - is used in the calculation to match salaries between the two trading teams.
    If we refer back to the 150% line for a second, this means that the Hornets have a well-defined range of contract values they can acquire back in a Kaman deal - $8.13M to $18.3M. You can see now how the 100% rule can't ever come into play in a potential Kaman deal. This is, of course, operating under the assumption that the Hornets' trading partners will also be under the luxury tax line after any trade has been completed.
    So with that, it's off to the Rockets themselves. The Rockets will get their own '12 pick if it's in the lottery; if it is not, it belongs to the Nets. The Rockets also own a 2012 first round pick from New York, as long as it isn't in the top 5. The Stepien Rule indicates that a team cannot trade away consecutive first round picks. So theoretically, I don't see how it's possible for the Rockets to include the Knicks pick in a trade without stipulating that it is only included in the case that they retain their own pick. If you remember back to the original Lakers deal, some reports had the Knicks' selection as part of the secondary version of the trade, but it was unclear whether this stipulation existed (as I assume it must to stay within league regulations).
    You'll notice that the Rockets have no trade exceptions, making Hasheem Thabeet's $5M+ contract a relatively important bargaining piece (assuming Houston wouldn't want to part with Martin, Scola, Dalembert, or Lowry in any form of Kaman trade). If we also assume that Chandler Parsons, Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson, and Marcus Morris are off limits as well, then any two of the following players, along with Thabeet would be a legal trade: Jonny Flynn, Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams, Goran Dragic, and Courtney Lee. Of that group, I'm a fan of Hill and Lee and not so much one of Flynn.
    So to summarize,
    Plus Assets Houston Might Give Up:
    1. 2012 New York 1st round pick (very unlikely)
    2. Jordan Hill (unlikely)
    3. Gordan Dragic
    4. Courtney Lee
    5. 2012 Minnesota 2nd round pick (to complete our collection!)
    Random Pieces That Make Trades Work
    1. Hasheem Thabeet
    2. Jonny Flynn
    3. Terrence Williams
    Thoughts? Questions? Comments?
    Here's the ESPN Trade Machine (appears to have been updated to the new CBA/150% rule) to play with. Let's keep the discussion limited to the Rockets for now; we'll get to the Pacers, Spurs, and the rest of 'em real soon.

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    Yes. We need someone who can pass, whether it is at the point or anywhere else on the floor.

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    http://www.atthehive.com/2012/1/28/2...ockets-edition

    Here's the ESPN Trade Machine (appears to have been updated to the new CBA/150% rule) to play with. Let's keep the discussion limited to the Rockets for now; we'll get to the Pacers, Spurs, and the rest of 'em real soon.
    I'd like to see the Pacers write up when it comes down. Please (someone) keep an eye out for it.
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    Oh please!!!! .....
    It's very true, talk about a black hole. That's used more than never won anything but both are the case in Monta.

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    Yes. We need someone who can pass, whether it is at the point or anywhere else on the floor.

    He went to Milwaukee for 3.75 mil.

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    I agree (very much) with most of your argument. Just to know, though, let's say Phoenix decides to trade Nash (who also is in the last year of his contract). Larry calls you and says, "Bullet, you're my negotiator on this one. Bottom line: Get Nash, even if it stings ... but figure out our minimum bid that still will be more than anyone else's bid?"

    What's your answer?
    My answer would be that we're probably not getting Nash.

    I have a tendency to look long term in almost every decision I make. I play some video games (text based simulations of being an NBA, MLB and NFL general manager - which are exceedingly fun) and when I do so, I have a really hard time making 'win now' decisions unless they are championship moves. Do I feel this team can beat Miami/Chicago in a 7 game series with Steve Nash? I don't think so. I may be wrong, and I could see an argument made for it. That team has year or two window with a 38 year old PG.

    That's why I would chase Deron Williams. He's a very, very good PG but it's a long term move as well as a help you win now decision. He has also shown that he can be content in a small market, he really didn't want to leave Utah.

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    I thought it might be worth it to link the Pacers crate interview with David Morway from the beginning of December. I think the first 5-6 minutes are the most relevant.

    Seems doubtful the FO will be willing to forfeit all their cap space on a rental of Kaman.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2011...536/index.html

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    My answer would be that we're probably not getting Nash.

    I have a tendency to look long term in almost every decision I make. I play some video games (text based simulations of being an NBA, MLB and NFL general manager - which are exceedingly fun) and when I do so, I have a really hard time making 'win now' decisions unless they are championship moves. Do I feel this team can beat Miami/Chicago in a 7 game series with Steve Nash? I don't think so. I may be wrong, and I could see an argument made for it. That team has year or two window with a 38 year old PG.

    That's why I would chase Deron Williams. He's a very, very good PG but it's a long term move as well as a help you win now decision. He has also shown that he can be content in a small market, he really didn't want to leave Utah.
    If we can land Deron, great (at least from a talent perspective) ... but chasing Deron goes against the depth-instead-of-superstar mindset of TPTB. Kaman suggested some weeks ago that he was interested in re-signing with NOH because it was a well-run organization. Players usually go where the dollars are, of course, but if we were to trade for him now and then offer him a new contract with decent money and 30 mpg (some at PF), it may be attractive to both sides. How do you feel about our chances to contend this year and/or next if we could add both Nash and Kaman?

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    Our first round pick would probably be in the 20's, so it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to trade it. At this point, we have a young developing player at every position, so it's not like we need an infusion of young talent either.

    I'd be okay with Kaman if it was just for cap space and our first round pick, but I imagine Bird and Morway will wait until the deadline to see if something better comes along (a true difference maker like Steve Nash?). Kaman is a nice player, and we could probably use another big body to push Amundson further out of the rotation, but I'm not sure we need a 14 million dollar caddy for Hibbert. If nothing better comes around or isn't brewing though, sure.

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    Hornets asking price for Kaman too high. "They were asking for draft picks, cap space and a young player," one executive says.

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    Hornets asking price for Kaman too high. "They were asking for draft picks, cap space and a young player," one executive says.
    Still NBA owned, so they'll continue to try and milk other teams in order to make that franchise look better for potential owners. No way I would want to do a trade with the Hornets right now..for ANYONE

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    I'm glad no other team is (allegedly) considering him at that price; makes it more likely we can make something happen if/when reality sets in with NOH.

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    I'm glad no other team is (allegedly) considering him at that price; makes it more likely we can make something happen if/when reality sets in with NOH.
    Or we could be the 3rd involved to make something happen.

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    ... Chris Kaman ... can't be moved in multi-player deals until February 14th (60 days after the Chris Paul trade)
    Watching us keep winning against our competition in the East (e.g., Orlando) makes me want us to hit the acquisition nitrous that much more. I can't wait 'til Feb 14th!

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    A couple 2nd rounders and a young player in Pendergraph sounds like a good plan to me? If not oh well. The only way I would give up a 1st is if we got him to sign a 2 year moderately priced extention.

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    Considering that Lou's contract is expiring and he would never see the court again if we landed Kaman, I think he should be thrown in for any deal if possible.

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    Here's the Pacers edition on trading for Kaman by Rohan:
    He does clarify our position of being under the cap far enough to absorb all of Kaman's salary without sending anything back. I don't think he places enough value on this and what it means to the Hornets and the NBA to save that money. He just discounts it and focuses on the pieces being traded. IMO due to the Hornets unique situation, the cold cash we save the team is worth more then a pick or a player, but time will tell.


    http://www.atthehive.com/2012/1/30/2...pacers-edition

    On Friday, the New Orleans Hornets made it clear that Chris Kaman has played his last game for the team; Dell Demps, David Stern, and the front office are actively seeking trade options. Since the announcement, Kaman has missed two straight games - a home blowout of the Orlando Magic on Friday followed by a home blowout at the hands of the Atlanta Hawks yesterday. In both cases, the box score has listed him, rather uniquely as a "DNP - Organizational Decision."
    The Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, and San Antonio have been the three reported front runners for Kaman's services via a trade. On Saturday, we looked at possible trade options with the Houston Rockets, concluding that some combination of 1. Hasheem Thabeet, 2. Jonny Flynn/Jordan Hill/Courtney Lee, 3. the lower of their and New York's 2012 1st round picks could be a possible return.
    Today, let's move onto the Indiana Pacers, the home of former Hornets Darren Collison, David West, and James Posey.

    From the Rockets column, here is the relevant information on Chris Kaman's contract itself:
    Trade Restrictions

    There are two primary restrictions that affect Chris Kaman trades
    (1) he can't be moved in multi-player deals until February 14th (60 days after the Chris Paul trade). The NBA trade deadline comes about a month after this date - March 15th
    (2) per the new CBA, teams that pay the luxury tax "can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away," and teams that are under the luxury tax (after a trade has been made) "can acquire up to the lesser of 150 percent plus $100,000, or 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries they trade away."
    This means it's theoretically easier to trade Kaman's contract now than it would have been before the lockout. San Antonio is the only team among the three that is in the luxury threshold, but they're close enough to the line that a potential deal could put them under the tax (and make the 150% rule applicable).
    Don't let the "150% + 100K or 100% + 5M" line confuse you too much. The 150% rule will always be the lesser up to a difference of $9.8M in the incoming to outgoing salary in the trade. More on this in one second.
    Chris Kaman's Contract

    Chris Kaman is due $13,672,927 this season, which includes a $1,472,927 trade kicker he received for being dealt from the Clippers. There's a little quirk with the kicker itself that needs to be sorted here. Kaman's pre-kicker salary - about $12,200,00 - is used in the calculation to match salaries between the two trading teams.
    If we refer back to the 150% line for a second, this means that the Hornets have a well-defined range of contract values they can acquire back in a Kaman deal - $8.13M to $18.3M. You can see now how the 100% rule can't ever come into play in a potential Kaman deal. This is, of course, operating under the assumption that the Hornets' trading partners will also be under the luxury tax line after any trade has been completed.
    A rapid summary:
    - Kaman can't be in multiplayer deals till February 14th, without trade exceptions
    - Kaman's salary for trade purposes is $12.2M
    - Hornets must take back between $8.13M and $18.3M in any trade to a team over the cap but under the tax.

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    Players, Salaries, Trade Exceptions, and Draft Pick (protection in parentheses) Statuses
    Player2011/20121sts Owed2nds Owed1sts Owned2nds Owned
    Danny Granger$12,015,904NoneNoneNone'15 GSW
    David West$10,000,000
    Jeff Foster$3,000,000
    Louis Amundson$2,763,450
    Dahntay Jones$2,700,000Exceptions
    Roy Hibbert$2,588,590None
    Paul George$2,406,240
    Tyler Hansbrough$2,138,040
    George Hill$1,540,463
    Jeff Pendergraph$1,500,000
    Darren Collison$1,455,960
    A.J. Price$854,389
    Lance Stephenson$810,000


    Before we start - the Kaman regulations from above? Throw all of them out for Indy, except the multiplayer one. The Pacers are significantly below the salary cap ($43M) and even if they absorbed the entirety of Kaman's contract in exchange for no salaries (i.e., just a draft pick), they'd still be under the cap.
    Essentially, a Chris Kaman to Indiana deal will come entirely down to agreeing to who goes where. Unlike a Houston deal, there will be no "fulcrum" piece necessary to the completion of a deal (Thabeet's $5M+ salary).
    Danny Granger and David West - both $10M+ players - are clearly off limits. From there, the next biggest contract is Jeff Foster at $3M. The Pacers are very interesting that way; the majority of their important contributors are on rookie deals, including Collison, Paul George, Roy Hibbert.
    Because of their lack of exceptions, any conventional multiplayer deal (where the Hornets are sending out additional players with Kaman) with the Pacers will come after February 14th. But there's one additional deadline that could come into play here. By the terms of the new CBA, any free agent that signs with a team in 2011-2012 (this year only) cannot be traded before completing two months with his team or March 1st. This rule applies to both Jeff Foster and Jeff Pendergraph. If either of these players is in a potential deal, the Hornets will have two weeks to work a trade with the Pacers - March 1st to March 15th, the trade deadline. Obviously, terms can be agreed to beforehand, but nothing could become official.
    There is, ostensibly, a method of performing multiplayer deals before February 14th, assuming the Hornets are after smaller contracts. New Orleans could conceivably deal Kaman to the Pacers for cash or a pick, bringing their total payroll into the $52M range. They could turn then turn around and execute a smaller trade that was initially agreed to. In a sense, Indiana's position below the cap can serve a similar function to a trade exception in terms of bypassing the February 14th deadline.
    We can run down the list of Pacer contracts and see who would reasonably be included in a proposal:
    Foster - ?
    Amundson - yes (expiring)
    Jones - yes
    Hibbert - no
    George - no
    Hansbrough - no*
    Hill - no*
    Pendergraph - yes
    Collison - no
    Price - yes
    Stephenson - yes
    Most of the no's are pretty self explanatory. The two I'm less certain on are Hansbrough and Hill. I lean "no" on Hansbrough just because he's considered a "young" player, but keep this in mind - Chris Kaman is actually less than three years older than Hansbrough. I lean "no" on Hill as well since he's such an integral part of Indiana's current setup. Foster is a wild card. Healthy, he's one of the very, very best rebounders in the NBA. The problem is that he's not healthy. Foster hasn't played in a game since January 14th, when he underwent a back procedure.
    So where does this leave us? Not much further (if at all) than Houston I'm afraid. A summary:
    Plus Assets Indiana Might Give Up
    1. 2012 1st Round Pick (projected in the ~20 range)
    2. Tyler Hansbrough (stats)
    3. George Hill (stats)
    Random Pieces That Make Trades Work
    - Not applicable to Indiana
    Ultimately, it looks like Indiana has far fewer assets to get a Kaman deal done than Houston. It will come down to who's actually willing to give up what, of course. Perhaps Indy's possible ability to make a multiplayer trade before February 14th changes things, but I don't think it's too much of an advantage.
    Post up your Trade Machine creations if you so wish, and we'll review some of them (along with the Houston ones from Saturday) before the San Antonio Spurs edition of this series.

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    Over the weekend, the Hornets announced that they would like to trade Chris Kaman and his $14 million expiring contract, and as a rebuilding club, New Orleans would like a productive young player and/or draft picks in return. Kaman isn’t a star, but he’s the kind of player fans love to speculate about around the trade deadline — a solid contributor who could (in theory) help a decent team reach the “next level” by working as a serviceable sixth man/backup big. Kaman and Antawn Jamison possess the only big-money expiring contracts that might be realistically movable, though the Hornets could tell you from experience (see the Peja Stojakovic deal last season) that huge expiring deals linked to so-so players rarely bring the sort of return fans dream about.

    That will almost certainly be the case with Kaman, a nice jump-shooting big who doesn’t draw many free throws, shoot a high percentage for a center or contribute better-than-average defense, passing and rebounding. Only a team that’s confident it is one player away from joining the undisputed trinity of contenders — the Bulls, Heat and Thunder — has incentive to deal anything of even minor value for a half-season rental. Kaman’s market is thus a useful prism through which to examine the “other” 26 teams in the league, and which of them might fit that description. What follows is a list of potential Kaman destinations, from most to least intriguing. As you go through this, keep in mind two things:

    1. Those pesky salary rules. All but two teams listed below are over the cap, meaning they’d have to send out roughly $9.5 million in salary under the league’s newly liberalized matching rules in order to absorb Kaman. The requirement is even stricter — and the outgoing salary thus higher — for teams over the tax line.

    2. Teams cannot use the amnesty provision on players they acquire via trade. In other words, the Hornets cannot acquire a team’s albatross and amnesty it away.
    (All stats are through Jan. 29.)

    HOUSTON ROCKETS
    Houston has won eight of its last nine to vault into the playoff picture. The emergence of Kyle Lowry as an All-Star candidate and the presence of a real center (Samuel Dalembert) have the Rockets looking as good as any other team in the Western Conference’s jumble from Nos. 2-10. But the numbers show that Houston is almost precisely the same kind of team as the one that missed the playoffs last season — a high-efficiency scoring club that takes care of the ball, wins the three-point battle every night, avoids gambles (and fouls) on defense and has trouble protecting the defensive glass. Dalembert might help the rebounding over the long haul, but he’s not a 36-minute-per-game player. You can bet the Rockets will at least think about how Kaman might look as his backup.

    Houston also has a pile of lottery-bust flotsam — Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn, Terrence Williams, Jordan Hill (productive now and then) — that can add up, in some combination, to the kind of salary required to fit Kaman. The Rockets also own New York’s 2012 first-round pick, though they may be hesitant to deal that asset, given they owe a lottery-protected pick to the Nets.

    The Hornets might cringe at those names, but doing much better with just Kaman will be hard. Things change if the Hornets are willing to sweeten things with the inclusion of a young player, and they change in the opposite way if New Orleans tries to dump an undesirable salary (Trevor Ariza, perhaps) along with Kaman.

    Kaman is not a game-changer for Houston, but with plenty of room under the tax line, he might be worth a shot if Houston’s brain trust believes the Thunder — with crunch-time and rebounding issues — are vulnerable.

    ATLANTA HAWKS
    Wouldn’t this be fun? If Al Horford returns from injury, Atlanta would suddenly be loaded and versatile on the front line, able to go big or small without sacrificing offense (i.e., without playing Jason Collins). The Hawks played Chicago to a competitive six-game series last season. The Bulls are better this season, but a Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Horford/Kaman/Jeff Teague core could make Miami or Chicago work a bit, providing some entertainment before the inevitable conference finals clash. Toss in an injury, and who knows what might happen?

    Alas, there are huge obstacles. The tax-phobic Hawks are right at the threshold now, meaning they’d have to send out just about 100 percent of Kaman’s salary, or more, in order to avoid moving up too far to duck back under via waiving players on non-guaranteed deals. That would mean including Marvin Williams and/or Kirk Hinrich (on an expiring contract) in any Kaman deal, and though Williams is playing better than ever, it’s hard to see how either has much value to the Hornets. A third team might be necessary.

    INDIANA PACERS
    A long-shot dream for fans hoping one Eastern Conference team can push the big two. The Pacers are so far under the cap they could actually absorb Kaman’s contract without sending anything in return, something that will make Indiana a potential player in any big trade — as a direct participant or third-party facilitator. Roy Hibbert and David West are working nicely as a starting front court, but the big men beyond those two have been inconsistent. Jeff Foster’s return will help, but he’s not on Kaman’s level as a scoring threat — and the Pacers could use more scoring punch.

    Still, New Orleans would want something in return, and dealing any of Indiana’s cheap, young and valuable parts — George Hill, Paul George, Darren Collison, Tyler Hansbrough — would be a no-go and counter to everything Larry Bird has done to this point.
    MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    The Wolves are 9-11, but they have the scoring margin of an 11-9 team, and one of the more interesting things to watch is what might happen if Minnesota — high on Ricky Rubio-fueled ecstasy and without a guaranteed first-round pick — believes in February or March that it could snag the eighth seed. If they get aggressive, the Wolves have exactly the kind of player that might be the Hornets’ ceiling here: a flawed young player on an affordable and/or expiring contract that has been a disappointment so far. New Orleans stole one guy fitting this type — Xavier Henry — in the three-team Marreese Speights deal. The Wolves have Michael Beasley, Wesley Johnson, Nikola Pekovic, Wayne Ellington and Anthony Randolph, and though every one of them has been an important cog for at least a few games this season, none have done enough to project as long-term starters.

    The center pairing of Pekovic and Darko Milicic was on a bit of a hot streak before Milicic went out with an illness. And if you think Minnesota is better off with those two — and the occasional stint with Kevin Love at center — there’s no reason to look at Kaman. And of course, New Orleans doing anything to help Minnesota succeed in the short-term would devalue a key asset–Minnesota’s unprotected first-rounder–the Hornets nabbed in the Chris Paul deal.

    MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    Lots of unknowns here, including whether Zach Randolph will play again this season. If the internal Z-Bo prognosis is negative, perhaps Memphis kicks the tires on Kaman, even if playing him alongside Marc Gasol in a twin towers lineup might be untenable defensively. Memphis is scrambling with Gasol as its only reliable big; Speights is working hard despite his limitations and Dante Cunningham can hold the fort in small stretches, but neither is a consistently productive two-way player. As a result, Memphis is playing small a ton, with Rudy Gay and Sam Young serving as nominal power forwards. That kind of thing is dicey against strong front-line opposition.

    The elephant in the room: The Grizzlies are just over the tax line, and though they could come back down to it by waiving Josh Davis, adding a few million in salary by acquiring Kaman would blow up the tax bill. And finding $14 million to send out isn’t easy, even if you include O.J. Mayo, emerging as a crucial cog on a playoff-level roster.

    SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    The Spurs are asking so much of so many limited players, you almost forget Manu Ginobili is lurking, and that San Antonio won 61 games last season. The emergence of Tiago Splitter lately blurs any theoretical Kaman situation, especially if Gregg Popovich is willing to play Splitter with Duncan — something he has done in small doses over the last two weeks. DeJuan Blair has been more aggressive offensively this season — and more central to what San Antonio does on that end — but he’s undersized and a liability on defense. Matt Bonner is Matt Bonner.

    San Antonio could use the extra piece, if only to get through the cramped schedule. But any offer would have to start with Richard Jefferson’s deal going somewhere, and there is not much desire around the league to pay Jefferson $21 million combined over 2012-13 and 2013-14.

    DENVER NUGGETS
    It’s nice that the Nuggets have done well playing so much small-ball with Al Harrington at power forward, but they will need the flexibility to go big at some point in the postseason. Do they trust Timofey Mozgov and the recently re-signed Kosta Koufos to provide that flexibility, along with Chris Andersen? Mozgov’s minutes have been up lately, he has looked good offensively in spurts and he has cut his fouls per minute to a sustainable number. Koufos remains a project.

    As appealing as adding Kaman might sound, finding the salary would prove impossible, unless Denver is willing to send out a key component (Andre Miller, Arron Afflalo, even Harrington) — something that might require finding a replacement elsewhere.

    ORLANDO MAGIC
    Orlando has no true backup center, and don’t put it past GM Otis Smith to reach (again) with the team floundering to the point of implosion. Could the Magic convince the Hornets to take J.J. Redick and local guy Glen Davis, fresh off signing a four-year, $26 million deal to become Dwight Howard’s chosen power forward? Seems a bit much, even if the Hornets could use Redick’s skill set and the insurance “Big Baby” would provide should Carl Landry walk after the season. Also, as shaky as Davis has been this season, dealing multiple rotation players for a center who might not be able to play alongside Howard damages Orlando’s depth.

    PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    Kaman would be a luxury in case Marcus Camby, rebounding everything in site, wears down in this crazy season, or if the backup duo of Craig Smith/Kurt Thomas falls off for whatever reason. The Blazers could start a semi-interesting package with Raymond Felton (an expiring $7.6 million deal) or Jamal Crawford (with a $5.2 million player option for next season), but they need both, and neither holds much appeal for a rebuilding Hornets team.

    The calculus changes a bit if the Blazers are ready to deal Nicolas Batum, but that seems unlikely.

    PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    Injuries to Spencer Hawes and Nikola Vucevic forced the Sixers to start (!) Tony Battie at center over the weekend, but any move for Kaman would reek of needless panic — and require some pretty deft cap work. The Sixers have Andres Nocioni’s $6.6 million expiring deal to start with, but they’d need to add a minimum of nearly $3 million to that to make the math work under the league’s new trade rules. Finding a non-essential $3 million in player salary isn’t easy, and adding too much money via a Kaman deal would take Philly very close to the tax line. This team is good enough to wait out the injuries, and adding Kaman doesn’t change its status in the Eastern Conference hierarchy.

    MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    There is a hole in the middle with Andrew Bogut injured (again), and though Drew Gooden is on fire lately, asking him to play center all season is too much. But there is very little here for New Orleans, unless they love Tobias Harris enough to swallow Stephen Jackson’s deal. That would be a short-sighted deal for Milwaukee, who shouldn’t trade an intriguing young asset to chase the eighth seed.

    BOSTON CELTICS
    Boston could absolutely use big-man depth, but it has few (if any) unneeded high- or mid-priced parts to offer the Hornets. The team acknowledged this over the weekend by leaking the news that they’d chase Kaman if the Hornets buy him out, at which point the Celtics could sign him to the veteran’s minimum salary.

    LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    They could use the depth, though the Hornets would surely demand Josh McRoberts — a playable front-court player — in any deal. And beyond McRoberts, the Lakers have zilch to offer anyone, unless the Hornets think Luke Walton would make a great assistant coach in two years. Kaman’s salary is much too big to fit in the trade exception the Lakers acquired in the Lamar Odom deal.

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    INDIANA PACERS
    A long-shot dream for fans hoping one Eastern Conference team can push the big two. The Pacers are so far under the cap they could actually absorb Kaman’s contract without sending anything in return, something that will make Indiana a potential player in any big trade — as a direct participant or third-party facilitator. Roy Hibbert and David West are working nicely as a starting front court, but the big men beyond those two have been inconsistent. Jeff Foster’s return will help, but he’s not on Kaman’s level as a scoring threat — and the Pacers could use more scoring punch.

    Still, New Orleans would want something in return, and dealing any of Indiana’s cheap, young and valuable parts — George Hill, Paul George, Darren Collison, Tyler Hansbrough — would be a no-go and counter to everything Larry Bird has done to this point.
    So....you say that there's still a chance?

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    This was posted on a hornets site. Sorry, but I had to digress.
    Kaman vs. Evans.
    This is hilarious.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1cBN8M-9I

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