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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    I dont get why everyone is surprised. This is what an Agent and a player are SUPPOSED to do. This is a negotiation, nothing more/nothing less. An NBA players second contract is the one that spans the PRIME of their career. If your Hill, why DON'T you shoot for a higher price? There are plenty of dumbass GM's that may have signed the extension without having any second thoughts. Our GM is not one of them, and he turned down the extension, leaving it to be revised in the off season when Hill becomes a RFA.

    They are about $1.5M off, which is pocket change in the NBA (never thought I'd say 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS is pocket change). Depending on how he performs the rest of the season, and in the playoffs, I'm pretty confident we'll come to a conclusion of about $6.3-6.6M range. If not, then thanks for your services and the cap space, we'll find someone else to fill the 6th man role.

    The bigger question is: What do we do if some team is dumb enough to offer Roy near MAX money?! 7 footers with serious skills and a great attitude/work ethic don't grow on trees. Do we match?

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

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    I always kind of assumed he would be. I still think he's not 100% thrilled to be here.
    Yeah I do not think he really wants to be here. Him asking 7.5 million is pretty much saying I do not want to be here, but if you pay me this much I can be made happy.

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    The bigger question is: What do we do if some team is dumb enough to offer Roy near MAX money?! 7 footers with serious skills and a great attitude/work ethic don't grow on trees. Do we match?
    Of course they match. As of today Hibbert is considered a top 5 center in the NBA. Pacers will happily match. THey will probably make him the designated 5 year player.
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    Yeah I do not think he really wants to be here.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    Roy's agent is just doing his job to do what's best for Roy and the team understands.

    It'll be best to get a deal done over the summer rather than during the season to avoid distraction and such.

    So, it's incredibly likely Roy will be back here.

    With Hill, I expect a contract to be negotiated fairly and he'll be back. With EJ in the picture and the possibility of just flat out signing him, that might be a different story.

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    I can't believe the Pacers would offer 6 mil per year to Hill in an extension.
    The most I could see him getting as an outside offer is an MLE contract and that's not a given. 7.5 mil per year for a backup combo guard is insane. If we just wait and match the highest offer he gets during the offseason Hill will wish 6 mil was on the table. It's not that I don't like the guy but I don't like him at anything over 5 mil.

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    People here know I love Hill and wanted him here all this time, I like the way he plays the game and plays D, but with all that said, I don't think I would pay that high price for him, at this point I wouldn't even be opposed to trade him to NO for JJ and his 2 years left at 5mil.

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    Under that approach Hill should just ask for $14M/year and expect to end up at $10M/year. You don't just split the difference if you feel the other party is being unreasonable. You pay what the market dictates.

    Hill at $7.5M is unreasonable. He should be paid what guys like Lowry, Dudley, Lou Williams, Korver, and Reddick got, which is between $5M-$6M.


    No more than Jarrett Jack money. I'll say it again... the Jack deal should have been matched. Bird dropped the ball on that one.

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    He just wanting to much...he is a bench guy, a role player.

    I wouldn't pay him more then 5mil per.
    Give him 4 yr. - 20mil with a 4th year Team Option. He don't like, let him walk.

    I bet Spurs wouldn't give him 5mil per, they'd laugh at 7.5mil.

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    I know a way to take care of this problem!
    Trade his azz along with Hans a 2013 1st and 2012 2nd and GSW 2015 2nd for Gordon and Kaman!

    Hibbert / Kaman
    West / Foster / Lou
    Granger / Paul / Jones
    Gordon / Paul / Lance
    DC / Gordon / Price
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    7.5mil/yr is starter money. Hill's a great player and I like him tons, but I don't see him ever being a regular starter on a contender.

    I'm glad the Pacers were 1.5mil apart from that, and I wouldn't be upset if the sides were 2mil apart. I don't think Hill will get that kinda cash from anybody next summer, but he might get the 6mil from a team he'd rather play for. We'll see.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    $5M is what I was thinking for Hill. He's really just a 6th man. He can't get paid starter type money and come off the bench. Max I'd go is $6M.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    Considering J. Crawford was close to signing with the Pacers for around 6 million then yeah George Hill has got to realize in the new NBA starter money is not going to be handed over to bench players.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    I wonder if Larry Bird approached Hill during the shoot arounds and said "show me your worth 7.5 young buck"
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    Love Hill, but if the Pacers were offering 6 million at this point I think it was specifically to throw him a bone as the hometown hero. He may earn that money by the end of the season though. That would be awesome!

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    It explains somewhat why Hills' last two games were subpar, he had to come down from the Pacers saying we like you but not THAT much.

    In the end we can all blame Hill for wanting that kind of money, we can hold out hope we get him wihtin our range at season end, and if not he was a damn expensive rental and the Spurs FO (who KNEW they could not hold on to Hill) made out like thieves.

    Now all we need is someone to throw the max at Roy and we have to look for replacements for both.



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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    Also, you mean George Hill started his bargaining out on the high end of his salary spectrum? I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!






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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

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    Also, you mean George Hill started his bargaining out on the high end of his salary spectrum? I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked!






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    All the posts about this being more proof he doesn't like it here are ridiculous.
    NO SIR! You are the ridiculous one.

    Look its pretty simple. If you are a bench player of his calibur, you dont turn down a $24 + Million contract (I am assuming its a 4 year deal), 17 games into the season on your new team. A guy who is one injury away from ruining any future value in a contract year. You just don't do that unless the Pacers only offered him a 2 year deal...

    With the way some of these players are turning down their extensions or only signing the QA...Its a miracle we were able to extend Danny Granger at his rate.

    Guys like George Hill who are really productive role players, usually have one goal in mind, and that is to stay in the league for a very long time, and that means signing multi-year deals.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    The only way George and the Pacers were going to get an extension done, was if one of them accepted the first offer from the other one, seeing as that happens in business (and being in real estate I have just a little experience with negotiations and contracts) approximately...um, maybe 1 out of 100 times and that's only if it's a no brainer for both sides, I'm not at all shocked they weren't able to nail down a number that worked for both while there's this little thing called a season going on.

    Maybe George will be a Pacers, maybe he won't, but if he isn't he won't have anything to do with him not liking Indianapolis or us not getting a deal done by this extension deadline.

    It's easy to get a guy like Westbrook or Love's extension done...

    Russell Westbrook's agent "We want a lot of money."

    The Thunder, "Ok, here's a lot of money."

    Agent, "Deal."

    But with a guy like Hill there is a lot more negotiating that will have to take place, and I'm sure Bird is doing other things than negotiating Hill's contract, which is probably true for Hill's agent as well and Hill himself. So unless, the first offer was accepted by both sides (which I knew wasn't gonna happen) there was no way this was going to get done by the deadline.
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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

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    The only way George and the Pacers were going to get an extension done, was if one of them excepted the first offer from the other one, seeing as that happens in business (and being in real estate I have just a little experience with negotiations and contracts) approximately...um, maybe 1 out of 100 times and that's only if it's a no brainer for both sides, I'm not at all shocked they weren't able to nail down a number that worked for both while there's this little thing called a season going on.

    Maybe George will be a Pacers, maybe he won't, but if he isn't he won't have anything to do with him not liking Indianapolis or us not getting a deal done by this extension deadline.

    It's easy to get a guy like Westbrook or Love's extension done...

    Russell Westbrook's agent "We want a lot of money."

    The Thunder, "Ok, here's a lot of money."

    Agent, "Deal."

    But with a guy like Hill there is a lot more negotiating that will have to take place, and I'm sure Bird is doing other things than negotiating Hill's contract, which is probably true for Hill's agent as well and Hill himself. So unless, the first offer was accepted by both sides (which I knew wasn't gonna happen) there was no way this was going to get done by the deadline.
    So I take it you dont' think 6 million a year is alot of money for Geroge Hill?
    Cause that seems like a no brainer extension.
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    It explains somewhat why Hills' last two games were subpar, he had to come down from the Pacers saying we like you but not THAT much.

    In the end we can all blame Hill for wanting that kind of money, we can hold out hope we get him wihtin our range at season end, and if not he was a damn expensive rental and the Spurs FO (who KNEW they could not hold on to Hill) made out like thieves.

    Now all we need is someone to throw the max at Roy and we have to look for replacements for both.



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    So I take it you dont' think 6 million a year is alot of money for Geroge Hill?
    Cause that seems like a no brainer extension.
    He obviously thinks he is worth more or at least that. This is negotiating 101.

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

    Wow. I was expecting more like 5 million/year. This is first extension and he is mainly a bench player, what makes him think that he is worth more than Jamal Crawford?

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    Default Re: Wells: Roy/Falk told Pacers he didn't want to sign extension; Hill wanted 7.5m/yr

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    Jarrett Jack 2.0.

    "I love playing for the Pacers. I want to come back." (But at the right price...)
    Jarrett Jack didn't ask for 7.5 million dollars. Toronto just priced him just out of our reach. If we would have had cap space we would not have lost JJ.

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