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    Alright, let's relish the Pacers' win over the Bulls last night. Ah! Very refreshing. My boys showed resolve, never backed down, dug in and became the spoilers for the second time this young season upsetting two elite, large market teams. For most, that's not too much cause for celebration, and I admit there's plenty more season left to play. Still, take it in while it lasts!

    Ahhhh!

    Now, for the "homer" in me...

    Keeping last night's victory fresh in your mind, take a look at the banner at NBA.com and see if you notice what's missing specifically where the Pacers win last night is concerned.

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    The only thing even remotely "disrespectful" I can spot is that all three of the individual play video highlights are of Chicago.

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    We're second on the list of the NBA home page, that's good enough for me. Even tho there are only Bulls highlights there.

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    EDIT: BINGO, fellas. You got it! The video captions are all about Bulls players!!

    Sure, the image is of a Pacers - Granger - going to the basket, but you'd think if the "story" is about the Pacers' victory over the top team in the East, atleast one video caption would be of a Pacers scoring the ball.

    The way I see it, the critics give the Pacers some props but then take it away all in the same motion. But that's okay...

    Eventually, they'll have no choice but to give this team it's due just as they do every other top 10-15 team around the league.
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    The only Pacer play that should probably be there is West's drive and dunk on Noah. All three of those Bulls plays were equally impressive imo.

    Also, and this isn't meant as a slight NS, but I don't understand why this kind of stuff matters. Could not care less about NBA writers "disrespecting" us.

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    It matters to me because the biasness is obvious. Consider this: If this had been the Hawks or OKC or even the Knicks beating the Bulls - undefeated on their home court - do you think their wouldn't be at least one video caption of Joe Johnson, Kevin Durant or Melo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuffSaid View Post
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    EDIT: BINGO, fellas. You got it! The video captions are all about Bulls players!!

    Sure, the image is of a Pacers - Granger - going to the basket, but you'd think if the "story" is about the Pacers' victory over the top team in the East, atleast one video caption would be of a Pacers scoring the ball.

    The way I see it, the critics give the Pacers some props but then take it away all in the same motion. But that's okay...

    Eventually, they'll have no choice but to give this team it's due just as they do every other top 10-15 team around the league.
    I don't know if its a legal issue or something, but you'll notice that almost every highlight has home team commentary. Would you really want to have to listen to Stacy King groaning when the Pacers make a highlight play?

    FTR, I saw the highlights for IND-CHI on NBATV during the LAL-LAC halftime last night, I thought they were VERY well balanced towards both teams. Still was using CSN-Chicago's feed though, so you could hear Stacy whine in the background.
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    My only annoyance is that I can't find the Paul George crossover on Noah and dunk highlight anywhere. WTF is up with that? That was nice.

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    The only Pacer play that should probably be there is West's drive and dunk on Noah. All three of those Bulls plays were equally impressive imo.

    Also, and this isn't meant as a slight NS, but I don't understand why this kind of stuff matters. Could not care less about NBA writers "disrespecting" us.
    I agree that it mostly doesn't matter. However, it does matter when it comes to bringing the local fans back. Today, I talked to several sports fans who had no idea that the Pacers beat the Bulls, but they knew all about the new Colts head coach. That is because the Colts front office changes are headline news on ESPN, but the Pacer's recent success isn't.

    People are used to ignoring the Pacers. The word isnt out in Indianapolis that the Pacers are good again. Every "slight" by the national media is another opportunity wasted to reach out to the casual fan. In my opinion, this is having a very real effect on Pacers attendance, and therefore the Pacers at large.

    This is the reason Rob From Pacers is always hounding us to vote in the NBATV fan pick contests, I bet.

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    I agree that it mostly doesn't matter. However, it does matter when it comes to bringing the local fans back. Today, I talked to several sports fans who had no idea that the Pacers beat the Bulls, but they knew all about the new Colts head coach. That is because the Colts front office changes are headline news on ESPN, but the Pacer's recent success isn't.

    People are used to ignoring the Pacers. The word isnt out in Indianapolis that the Pacers are good again. Every "slight" by the national media is another opportunity wasted to reach out to the casual fan. In my opinion, this is having a very real effect on Pacers attendance, and therefore the Pacers at large.

    This is the reason Rob From Pacers is always hounding us to vote in the NBATV fan pick contests, I bet.
    Yeah but in this case, it's the second story on nba.com with the headline "Setting a New Pace" and the sub-heading "Pacers end Bulls' 4 game win streak". The issue here is that they omitted a Pacer highlight or two from the story, which I really don't think is a big deal.

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    Yeah but in this case, it's the second story on nba.com with the headline "Setting a New Pace" and the sub-heading "Pacers end Bulls' 4 game win streak". The issue here is that they omitted a Pacer highlight or two from the story, which I really don't think is a big deal.
    That's true, good point. I was speaking to the "national media slight" issue in general that keeps popping up.

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    Fair enough. I can't say I haven't been worried by the flagging fan base, given the short-term CIB agreement and Mr. Simon's age.

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    EDIT: BINGO, fellas. You got it! The video captions are all about Bulls players!!

    Sure, the image is of a Pacers - Granger - going to the basket, but you'd think if the "story" is about the Pacers' victory over the top team in the East, atleast one video caption would be of a Pacers scoring the ball.

    The way I see it, the critics give the Pacers some props but then take it away all in the same motion. But that's okay...

    Eventually, they'll have no choice but to give this team it's due just as they do every other top 10-15 team around the league.
    Same thing happened with the L.A. win. 4 L.A. highlights shown on the first page. When you clicked through you did find 1 Pacers highlight. With this one, you'd think the DWest dunk would be a highlight. It's a little annoying, but oh well. We're winning.

    On a somewhat related note - I wish our video people would get it together. I can always find the opponent's post game stuff, usually about 12 hours after the game or less. For some games the Pacers don't bother to upload anything from the players or coach at all (like after the L.A. win). It's disappointing to not be able to reliably see that stuff.
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    The overriding goal of our growth-based economy is to make more money. The economic potential of the Chicago fan base is greater than that of the Indiana fan base. Thus, there is a greater incentive to gear programming towards the largest possible audience, aka the Bulls fans. In many ways, this has a positive feedback effect of generating more Bulls fans - that's the team you have the most access to. Also, with the internationalization of the game during the Jordan years, the Bulls market internationally is also quite large.

    I live in New Jersey. I became a Pacers fan out of sheer luck. My aunt happened to find two tickets to a playoff game against the Knicks on a NJ Transit bus. Nobody showed up to claim them. She happened to come over our house that afternoon and give them to my dad. My older brother happened to be sick that evening. Then Reggie Miller happened. If not for this perfect storm of coincidences, however, I probably would be making stupid comments and lame puns on a Knicks forum.

    I love being a fan of a small market team. I wouldn't give it up for the world. It's part of what defines me as a fan. I go to NBA.com and ESPN.com this morning and I see that both lead off with the L.A. vs L.A. story, despite the fact that neither team is quite elite. (Some would argue the Staples Center tenant fight is a good story, but I think Pacers/Bulls is a good one too). It just makes sense from an economic standpoint. Then I see the Pacers/Bulls highlight clip is Bulls heavy. That also makes sense from an economic standpoint. And it won't change.

    In the age of the internet, the ability to follow the teams you like, regardless of market-size or geography, is greatly enhanced. Forums like this one, blogs like 8p9s or IndyCornrows cater to a certain audience - us - much better than an ESPN or even an NBATV could. If ESPN gave equal time to the Bucks and Timberwolves as they do the Lakers and Celtics, I guarantee you their viewership would decrease, their advertising partners would decrease, and their profits would decrease. We don't have to worry about that with fan communities such as PD.

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    My only annoyance is that I can't find the Paul George crossover on Noah and dunk highlight anywhere. WTF is up with that? That was nice.
    this. I really want to see this again in video form and from PG in future games

    EDIT: well after looking on good ole' youtube, there is a vid up!



    DOUBLE EDIT: ...and now found another from a fan in the crowd!...great view

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    I agree that it mostly doesn't matter. However, it does matter when it comes to bringing the local fans back. Today, I talked to several sports fans who had no idea that the Pacers beat the Bulls, but they knew all about the new Colts head coach. That is because the Colts front office changes are headline news on ESPN, but the Pacer's recent success isn't.

    People are used to ignoring the Pacers. The word isnt out in Indianapolis that the Pacers are good again. Every "slight" by the national media is another opportunity wasted to reach out to the casual fan. In my opinion, this is having a very real effect on Pacers attendance, and therefore the Pacers at large.

    This is the reason Rob From Pacers is always hounding us to vote in the NBATV fan pick contests, I bet.
    Per the highlighted comments, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE at least on a national scale how this Pacers team is being downplayed. The saying goes, "If you want respect, you have to earn respect". Well, I believe this Pacers team has earned the right to be properly respected!

    Celtics = defeated X2 (at home and at the Fieldhouse)

    Lakers = defeated at home

    Hawsk = defeated at home

    Bulls = defeated TOP TEAM IN THE EAST AT HOME to end an 8-game home winning streak

    What more does this team have to do to earn respect around this league?

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    Yeah but in this case, it's the second story on nba.com with the headline "Setting a New Pace" and the sub-heading "Pacers end Bulls' 4 game win streak". The issue here is that they omitted a Pacer highlight or two from the story, which I really don't think is a big deal.
    Then you've missed the point entirely. It's about giving this team it's due - national recognition. Commentators from around the league are starting to make the case that the Pacers to this point are perhaps the most improved team in the East (and I dare say the league). Think about it...

    An 8th seed team last year that got in with a losing record, competed extremely well against a top ranked Bulls team which many people still believe the Pacers should have won. Many folks still say the Pacers had the Bulls on the ropes for much of that first-round series. Of course, that was last year. This year is a different story, however. And the team that won their first regular season match was - the Pacers! And all they got was a headline sidebar caption with video subplots? Again, had this been the OKC, NY, ATL or any other top ranked team, team from a major market or one of the scrub teams (i.e., winless Wizzards upset top ranked Bulls"), you can beat the headlines would have been huge!

    All I'm saying is the Pacers deserve much more respect than this. Granted, they're not blowing teams away by 10+ ppg, but then again neither is the rest of the league. But they're winning in a much improved fashion this year over last year. And they're doing it with team-basketball. Certainly, that counts for something?
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    ESPN showed all Bulls except for Paul Georges dunk and the dunk with 13 sec left by Roy. They even showed Rose's shot at the end of the first quarter like it counted.

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    I don't know why you guys care of whether the NBA critics give us the "props" or "respect" that you think that we deserve.

    If SportsCenter doesn't put up some highlight from a Pacers game....I have ZERO problem with no one paying attention to us. This just allows us to fly "under the radar".

    Although it would be nice to get some recognition...which would help give the Team more exposure to the local fanbase.....I just care about us winning games for now....all of this "respect" and "recognition" will come in time.

    I've said this before....ignore or underestimate us at your own peril.
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    I don't know why you guys care of whether the NBA critics give us the "props" or "respect" that you think that we deserve.

    If SportsCenter doesn't put up some highlight from a Pacers game....I have ZERO problem with no one paying attention to us. This just allows us to fly "under the radar".

    Although it would be nice to get some recognition...which would help give the Team more exposure to the local fanbase.....I just care about us winning games for now....all of this "respect" and "recognition" will come in time.

    I've said this before....ignore or underestimate us at your own peril.
    Because it does affect us through economics and home court advantage (emotions)... as well as (in my own opinion) ref calls.

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    That's Political Hackery, nothing new!

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    Because it does affect us through economics and home court advantage (emotions)... as well as (in my own opinion) ref calls.
    Does showing up on ESPN SportsCenter help? Sure it does, but the Pacers fanbase will come around...that takes time. Remember, no one in Indy cared about the Pacers before this season....short of getting a high-profile Franchise Level Player like Kyrie Irving...I doubt that showing up on ESPN will make a difference.

    As for Ref Calls.....that's totally out of our control...whether ESPN shows a Pacers clip or not.

    The Sixers are performing much better than expected....do they get as much national coverage? Not that I know of.

    As a hardcore fan, I don't need ESPN showing highlights on the Top 10 to justify my belief that the Pacers are starting to "turn the corner". For the casual fan in Indy and outside of Indy, it will take time for the fanbase to come around.

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    I think an abundance of positive local coverage and word of mouth is more important than ESPN.

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    It matters to me because the biasness is obvious. Consider this: If this had been the Hawks or OKC or even the Knicks beating the Bulls - undefeated on their home court - do you think their wouldn't be at least one video caption of Joe Johnson, Kevin Durant or Melo?
    Just for the record, you just need to use "bias," as "biasness" isn't a word. "The bias is obvious." Meaning the slant in opinion is obvious.

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    On a somewhat related note - I wish our video people would get it together. I can always find the opponent's post game stuff, usually about 12 hours after the game or less. For some games the Pacers don't bother to upload anything from the players or coach at all (like after the L.A. win). It's disappointing to not be able to reliably see that stuff.
    Do the people who tape the postgame stuff travel with the team? I'm not sure if they do or not.
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    Do the people who tape the postgame stuff travel with the team? I'm not sure if they do or not.
    Maybe not, that might explain it. I see videos from other teams when they are on the road though, so some teams do it.
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