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    As for Manning’s health, he's not all the way back yet, but he's not going to put any kinds of percentages on his recovery, nor will he predict whether he'll be at full strength by early March, when the $28 million option bonus is due. At this point, he just doesn't know.

    "You've been around me: You know I don't like to say something like, 'There’s no way I can play Sunday,' then come out and play Sunday and everybody in the media is writing 'I can’t believe he’s playing,'" Manning said. "I'm not into the drama. And I'm not into saying, 'Well, this is it, I sure have enjoyed it.' I'm not into saying goodbye. All I know is I'm still under contract to the Colts. I'm still the quarterback of the Colts That's why I'm in the building every day trying to get healthy."
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    I wanted to go back to this part of the interview and highlight some things.

    He just emphasizes how he isn't going to say anything, one way or another. So my question is this, do you think he toes this line off the record as well? I do.

    So we have a player that refuses to talk about the situation, while his family has said multiple times they expect him back, but yet the media thinks that he's gone because of the feeling they get while talking to him?

    This is why I've continually said it doesn't make any sense.

    They literally have NOTHING to base their opinion on, one way or the other. Nothing. No medical records. No doctor. No Peyton. No team statement. Nothing other than their personal feelings.

    Just crazy.

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    They literally have NOTHING to base their opinion on, one way or the other. Nothing. No medical records. No doctor. No Peyton. No team statement. Nothing other than their personal feelings.
    This is where I believe you get off track.... There's plenty of medical history with people with Peyton's type of injury, surgery, rehab, etc... out there. There's plenty of people who understand physically what is needed to play the QB position. There's even direct and implied info from Peyton and those around him that at the least should tell us he's not healing at lightning speed.

    If Peyton was to return from this 100% and not suffer a return of symptoms when returning to full practice and game speed, not to mention for the rest of his playing career, he'd be the exception and not the rule.

    There's nothing crazy about anyone siding with the idea that the odds aren't in Peyton's favor. We need to get used to the idea that not only is Peyton likely to never wear a Colts jersey again, he might never take the field again. And even if he does, the odds are with it being short-lived or with a reduced capacity. None of this is to say he can't beat the odds... And I've not seen anyone proclaim that he will not be back. Just several people of the opinion that either he won't be back or the odds aren't good.
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    This is where I believe you get off track.... There's plenty of medical history with people with Peyton's type of injury, surgery, rehab, etc... out there. There's plenty of people who understand physically what is needed to play the QB position. There's even direct and implied info from Peyton and those around him that at the least should tell us he's not healing at lightning speed.
    Not healing at lightening speed? What are you talking about?
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73...-healed-firmly

    The whole article talks about how he's right on pace, and how they're pleased with his rehab, etc.

    As far as other players with these types of injuries, yeah, some of them come back to play. Others don't. I've said it many times before. Find me a doctor than can give an accurate diagnosis, with an accurate opinion on the liklihood of recovery without seeing the patient, without even talking to the patient, or without seeing the medical records, and I'll show you a horrible doctor.

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    "This procedure is performed regularly throughout the country on persons from all walks of life, including professional football players. Two former Colts players had this same procedure last winter and have fully resumed their careers," the team said in the statement.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/69...e-surgery-neck

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    Here's a widly interesting article.

    Dr. Wellington K. Hsu, an assistant professor at Northwestern University with a joint appointment in the department of orthopaedic surgery and department of neurological surgery, spoke with NFL.com on Thursday to shed light on the path facing Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, who's recovering from his third neck procedure in 19 months.

    Dr. Hsu has been recognized as an international leader in the operative treatment of cervical and lumbar degenerative disorders, motion-sparing technology and spinal cord injuries, and he has published a number of studies focused on NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL players.

    The Colts confirmed Thursday that Manning underwent single level anterior fusion surgery (which usually involves making an incision in the front of the neck, removing soft disk tissue between the vertebrae and fusing the bones together with a graft). Being a quarterback, will Manning face special challenges?


    The quarterbacks in my study did quite well after this particular surgery that Peyton Manning had. Quarterbacks fare pretty well compared to other positions because they can predetermine their movements. Defensive backs and linebackers need to react differently. (QBs) don't rely on neck range of motion as much as a defensive back or linebacker. ... The wide receivers in my study also did pretty well after neck fusion. It really depends on position when it comes to prognosis.

    Was this an injury that Manning could have possibly played through?

    You can play through it if it's just pain. I don't know Peyton Manning's case specifically, but if it led to weakness that was affecting his arm velocity, surgery would be needed to get back to his normal level of play.

    The Colts haven't set any timetable for Manning's return. When can the team reasonably expect to see him back on the field?

    In general, depending on his surgery, depending on the graft he had, most surgeons would let him get back to training in six to eight weeks. And depending on rehab, another four weeks after that -- plus or minus a week or so -- he could be back on the field. That's a general timetable I would give for a high-level athlete like Manning.

    Is Manning facing any additional risks when he does return?

    There's never been a reported risk of catastrophic injury after this surgery, but there is a risk of having a problem develop at another level. Assuming he had one level fused, other areas of the neck could be affected by arthritis. There is only a 5 percent risk of a second operation in a player's career.

    Manning doesn't seem to be in unchartered territory. Is that fair to say?

    This is a pretty common surgery in professional and NFL players, and they do better than what many people think. I've heard people say it's really hard to get back from a neck injury, how if you have surgery, you don't come back, but that's simply not true. I think Peyton, being the stalwart that he is, playing the position that he does, has a very, very good prognosis for coming back.
    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/ar..._k_hsu/6646870

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    In general, depending on his surgery, depending on the graft he had, most surgeons would let him get back to training in six to eight weeks. And depending on rehab, another four weeks after that -- plus or minus a week or so -- he could be back on the field. That's a general timetable I would give for a high-level athlete like Manning.
    I'd like to hear this doctor's opinion now that his timetable has not even been close.
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    Default Re: Good Kravitz column about Manning

    He had surgery on Sept 8th. On Dec. 1st he was cleared to resume practice. That's 12 weeks.

    Look at the time table. 6-8 weeks to begin training, 4 weeks (give or take one) before he's back on the field.

    8+4=12

    Or we could just read the article from Dec 2nd talking about him getting cleared.
    In a statement issued by the team Thursday night, Watkins said Manning's neck has finally healed -- right in the two- to four-month timeline predicted by neck and back specialists who did not treat Manning.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/73...-healed-firmly
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