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    Default Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    He's stating the obvious, but I think this is worth posting since this is the first time he's explicitly stated it.

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    Jim Irsay has all but come out and said it in recent weeks. Thursday he finally did.

    The Indianapolis Colts owner intends to use the first overall pick in the April draft on a quarterback whether or not franchise quarterback Peyton Manning is healthy. It almost certainly will be either Stanford’s Andrew Luck or Baylor’s Robert Griffin III.

    “With Griffin and Luck and the way it’s shaping up at the top of the draft – could very likely go one and two like with Peyton and Ryan Leaf,” Irsay said in an interview with ESPN’s Hannah Storm. “It’s most likely one of those quarterbacks that you really feel is the best player in the draft, and where we’re at moving forward you can’t pass that up. I don’t think anyone would expect that.”

    The Colts picked Manning, the NFL’s only four-time most valuable player with the first pick in the 1998 draft. Leaf went second to the San Diego Chargers.

    Manning is rehabilitating from Sept. 8 neck surgery that caused him to miss the entire 2011 season. He is owed a $28 million option bonus payment on March 8. If the Colts don’t pay it, Manning becomes an unrestricted free agent.

    Asked if his intent to take a quarterback would change if Manning is healthy, Irsay responded, “I don’t think it would.”
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Shouldn't that be the GM's call?
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    I don't know, if I owned a team and had the 1st overall pick I'd want a say on who we picked I think.

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    That's exactly what needs to happen.
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    If they draft Griffin, they could put him on the bench and allow Manning to play a few more years. No way can they do that with Luck.

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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Quote Originally Posted by indygeezer View Post
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    Shouldn't that be the GM's call?

    No. Irsay has said multiple times that he has the final say over franchise-altering moves. These include hiring a coach or GM and also deciding what to do with a number 1 draft pick that could shape the next 15 years of the franchise.

    It's the same situation as 14 years ago with Manning. Irsay, Polian, and Mora all agreed on picking Manning, but Irsay would have had the final say had there been differences in opinion. Irsay certainly isn't going to meddle into a 4th round draft pick or your average first rounder for that matter, but the owner should have the final say in something as big as this. I'd be worried about an owner who didn't want to make that decision.

    Besides, I'm sure that this is one of the first things that was discussed with the new GM. He's probably 100% on board.

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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Anyone else follow Pat McAfee on twitter? Pretty interesting things being said.

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    Just starting a convo here.. Nothing else... If RGIII was white, would he be getting more love from the NFL media experts?
    That's the convo going on in training room right now
    I think they're both great QBs... Some peeps in the training room think draft talk would be different if he was white..Figred I'd ask yins
    Either way.. Tough decision for any real Experts making actual decisions on draft day and not sitting in front of a camera.. #GoodStuffFolks
    @therumpkin no.. We're actually very educated men and know that the media pushes what and who they want to push
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Luck it is then.

    No way you take anyone else.

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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    I'd love RGIII, but I know it'll be Luck.

    RGIII would be ideal since he's so far different from Manning. Luck is similar and will always be compared to Manning. I think he'll have far more pressure to succeed than RGIII.

    Regardless of who it is, I wish both of those guys tons of success (just not against the Colts).
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    I'd love RGIII, but I know it'll be Luck.

    RGIII would be ideal since he's so far different from Manning. Luck is similar and will always be compared to Manning. I think he'll have far more pressure to succeed than RGIII.
    Whoever is taken 1st will have plenty of pressure. Doesn't matter which guy.

    Let's say you take RGIII. Then Luck goes #2 and becomes the QB that everyone thinks he is from the get go while RGIII is still learning a pro offense and is either carrying a clipboard or struggling. I would imagine there would be a lot of pressure waiting for RGIII to develop while the "other guy" you could have taken is already looking like a real NFL QB. That wouldn't be a very ideal developmental situation for RGIII.

    Whoever goes #1 overall will have a lot of pressure, but that will multiply by many times if the guy going #2 starts off playing better.

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    Nothing earth shattering here. We're gonna draft the best player available if we don't trade the pick. And that player happens to be a QB this year. That's expected.

    But he's not saying he won't trade the pick. He's just saying he won't keep the pick and then draft a WR or RB or something else. And I'm glad, cause that would be really dumb.

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    Shouldn't that be the GM's call?
    owner trumps all GM reports to the owner most decisions have to be okay with the owner before being made. A decision this big no doubt is the owners call GM gives his input as do the scouts but owner will pick.
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    We better not draft RG3 with the first pick.
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    We better not draft RG3 with the first pick.
    I agree. If you really want GRIII, you trade down at least 1 spot.
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    We should take a QB and it should be Luck.

    I just don't see Griffin lasting in the NFL.

    Running that offense in college is one thing but the pros?

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    We will use the pick on Luck. I like RG III a lot but Luck is doing things at a high level that RG III has not approached yet. Don't get me wrong though. If a team is willing to sacrifice everything for a shot at Luck it could get interesting.

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    If they draft Griffin, they could put him on the bench and allow Manning to play a few more years. No way can they do that with Luck.
    If we pick Griffin over Luck, I'll be livid.

    Luck's ceiling is Manning. Griffin's is Vick. Who would take Vick over Peyton?

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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Let me re-phrase my response then. Shouldn't that information be kept to the Owner and the GM.....4 months before the draft.

    (Now reading his comments to Hanna Storm...ok, those sound pretty innocuous. Nothing out of line there)
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    Let me re-phrase my response then. Shouldn't that information be kept to the Owner and the GM.....4 months before the draft.

    (Now reading his comments to Hanna Storm...ok, those sound pretty innocuous. Nothing out of line there)

    I don't know, at this point it's so obvious so there's really no point in not saying it. Everyone knows that's what they are going to do. Might as well be straightforward.

    In 1998, I'm sure that we immediately said we were using the pick on one of the two QB's. The difference this year is that we have Manning so it's a more touchy situation.

    This franchise is very lucky to be in this position. I'm snickering at all the people who were gloating at how the Colts would disintegrate into dust forever once Manning left. Now we have the opportunity to follow Manning with another hyped QB and could potentially string together almost 30 great years of great QB play. Nothing is guaranteed, but Luck is as sure a bet as there is. If our GM can build a complete team then we could be very competitive quickly.
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Its clear some of you didn't watch RGIII. His ceiling is Vick? Haha

    You do realize he put up better numbers than Luck right? He's has a career 72% completion percentage. Vick's in college was like 56%. He had the best completion % in the entire NCAA.

    He's Cam Newton. Without the big body but more accurate.

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    Its clear some of you didn't watch RGIII. His ceiling is Vick? Haha

    You do realize he put up better numbers than Luck right? He's has a career 72% completion percentage. Vick's in college was like 56%. He had the best completion % in the entire NCAA.

    He's Cam Newton. Without the big body but more accurate.
    I agree he's more impressive than Vick but I still wouldn't want him. I just don't see how the offense he runs in Baylor will translate into the NFL for him.

    I'm wary of QBs who use the spread offense like that in college.

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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    I don't watch much college football but I agree the Vick-RGIII comparison was odd.

    You still take Luck though.

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    Yeah, who would want a Cam Newton type of player? Clearly he sucks and isn't going to have any type of success.

    Its not a luck vs Griffin debate. Its a luck vs griffin and 2-3 other first round draft picks, and a couple second round picks. If they want RGIII it wont be with the first pick.

    But RGIII is a very good pocket passer with great accuracy. That translates in any system.
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    Default Re: Irsay says he'll use 1st pick on QB, regardless of PM's status

    Hypothetical, would you guys want luck over cam Newton and von miller?

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    The only thing that Vick and RG3 have in common is that they are black nothing else.

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