Last edited by Taterhead; 01-21-2012 at 04:56 PM.
Jimmer is going to be a bust but right now it's not fair to call anyone a bust.
Just like I said last year when someone asked if Evan Turner was a bust two months into his career, the only person who can be called a bust in his rookie season is Ryan Leaf.
"And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "
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And I could quote posts that are simply hyperbolic about Lance with people raving about Lance hitting a simple jumper.
Understand something. That's not a war in which two sides participate (the pro-Lance and the anti-Lance one). That's an internet forum about the Pacers whereas most posters post their views on how the Pacers are doing and how they are going to get better. A lot of posters just don't take a side in this feud. They have said both good and bad things about Lance. It depends to how he is playing. Don't expect this crowd to bash Lance for going 1/5 or 0/4 but don't expect them to rave about him after scoring 12 points either.
Jimmer has already played more minutes than Lance (and he's older), so if Lance can get labeled as a bust then Jimmer can too, and that is all I said.
And the reaction I got just proves the point I was making. If you weren't a bunch of haters you wouldn't care about my post what so ever.
...and here we go again with the head in the sand...
I'm not even referring to moral issues. I'm referring to his immaturity issues not even related to his earlier legal troubles. His play on the floor I think has been judged pretty fairly.
Also, responding with "disagreeing with me only proves I'm right" is a poor way to win an argument
I never said that Lance can be labeled as a bust, for the record.
BTW, Nuntius, pay close attention to Kstat. He is exactly what I'm talking about. He's bringing up immaturity issues from last season, just because I was semi supportive of Lance. That's a hater if I ever seen one.
Defense is a little weak. He seems to avoid contact on both sides of the floor, sometimes for the good tho, Example, he may pull up on a fast break for a short jump shot, instead of taken to the hole to draw a foul, there again he may finish strong with a dunk. He reads the floor and player(s) spacing at a veteran level BB IQ that a lot of vets will never have. He will take a charge, but I haven't seen him fail at it much. Another words, he makes sure he has position before doing it or he let's them by or he just fouls them. Blocking shots has not been in his game much, yet.
The best thing I can say about him is he totally plays within himself, he rarely hurts the team.
The worst thing I'd say is he could stand to be more aggressive on both ends of the floor, but he has been showing improvement as of late.
He will retire with a long career in the NBA. As a starter will be up to him on how hard he wants to work at it on a physical aspect.
I would love to have Hayward working the 2 and 3 for us off the bench right now.
Hope this helps!
Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
Last edited by CreekShow; 01-21-2012 at 05:31 PM.
I Bleed Blue
You realize your own paranoid rants are coming off worse than the people you accuse of "hating," right?
Who calls a 2nd round pick a "bust," anyway? Has anyone ever used that term to describe Lance?
I do recall there being a "we" in there, somewhere....
Besides, Haskin I believe had injury problems.
Last edited by Kstat; 01-21-2012 at 05:43 PM.
1) For all I know, he could be referring to his immaturity on the court which led him playing at 1000 MPH in the first 5 games that led to go 0/9. Personally, I wouldn't judge him over such a small sample but it didn't help to make a good impression to me as someone who is watching his first serious year of Pacers basketball.
2) Even if he is a hater (which is not something I conclude from his posts but anyway), it has nothing to do with what I said earlier. Frankly, I don't get the impression that the forum is filled with Lance haters.
Giving Lance credit in a good game is not out of line. I've given him props in the last 5 games because he was able to play within his head. I have dedicated a lot of lines for Stephenson in my Indiana Pacers corner in a Greek basketball forum and the latest ones were pretty positive about his play.
However, the following were quite over the line.
Let me re-post:
This was after the second Celtics game when Lance 2 points (on 1/3), 2 assists, 1 rebound and 1 block.
Also, watch how this poster exploits this opportunity to bash on another player on our roster, namely A.J. Price.
Now watch the above being talked about ad absurdum after his great performance against the Hawks:
See what I'm talking about? Over-stating one player's performance and bashing another player in the same time.
Personally, I choose not to take a side on the Price vs Stephenson debate. I've liked them both in some games and in some other games I thought they were detrimental for the team. In the end, we won anyway so I was happy.
PS: This may seem like I'm calling the quoted poster out. It's nothing like that as I have nothing against the guy. I couldn't have anything against him anyway as we have never interacted. It's just that those posts of him struck me quite bad.
I'm not a Lance hater, I still have hopes that he can be a solid rotational player, but I'd trade him for Jimmer in a split second. Of course Sac management might hurt themselves laughing.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
PD: Where any thread can turn into a Lance thread.
In our history , especially before Bird took over, our second round picks have been a roll of the dice, typically on some young Euro center(I don't think we have ever gotten lucky). If Stanko can play this team could really use a 7'0 backup center about now.
Last edited by spazzxb; 01-21-2012 at 06:09 PM.