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    Default Here comes the hammer - hang in there

    We all know how the tone can turn after a loss, and a string of losses can really get things going. But let's all keep the schedule in mind and set our expectations appropriately for the next few weeks.

    The last two 3 game trips are coming, the only West coast visit, and apart from the Texas 2 trip later this season this will basically mark the end of the road work for the Pacers.

    You have the Lakers game and games at Chicago and Orlando. Even going back to Boston could be tough despite their poor play so far. Add in a visit from Orlando as the "break" and even a tricky Warriors game in the middle of that first trip and you've got the potential to lose 6 of the next 7.

    4-5 losses looks very reasonable.

    And now we add the lack of Foster to that list too. It's going to get ugly most likely, but this is the tradeoff the team must pay for the super sweet April they have lined up.

    Let's just see the team get to the end of January above .500 and then start looking at how the schedule slowly turns and helps them build huge momentum down the stretch. FEB is better but still tough, MAR really starts to ease up.


    A bad end to January doesn't mean the team isn't ECF capable or needs to make changes, it just means it's the toughest portion of the schedule for a team still trying to lock in on who they are and how they win.

    When they lose home games to NJ or Utah, then we can talk about "fixing" the team.



    And you never know, they just might surprise us and do better than expected.

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    Winning doesn't impress me as much as how they react to adversity. I think we'll see what they're made of pretty soon.

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    a tough schedule is ahead indeed. as long as we put up a fight against good teams i'm cool with losing but if even some those hard games turn out to be like heat game than i'm officially worried.

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    Not too worried about the warriors...they are small...really small.

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    I hope we cover the next two at Sacramento and GSW. After that I expect some losses to mount as well.
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    We have 8 games remianing this month, lets say at worst we go 3-5 over that stretch, then we are 12-8. I see us going at least 4-4.
    If you look beyond that Feb. isn't much easier. We just have to hope that everyone is starting to gel together and maybe this road trip will make them even tighter.

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    I understand the premise of the thread, but 6-7 losses is unacceptable. If this was last season, I completely understand. But this season is about taking the next step, and that standard should be kept regardless of the situation.

    It shouldn't be a THAT big of a deal if the Pacers rack up that many losses, but it should be a disappointment if they do.

    4-4 should be base expectations. Anything less than that is a failure.

    Sac, GSW, and NJ should all be wins. I don't think it's asking too much for the Pacers to get one more win out of Orlandox2, LAL, Chicago, Boston.
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    It's kinda what I have grown to expect with this team over the years. Good stretches that make me believe they are a great team, then reality comes crashing in.

    Last years first west coast trip was a turning point of the season and it all went downhill from there. It was not too bad to start with. There were wins over the Kings and Lakers, and they were at 9-7. Then it all started going horribly wrong. They won 7 out of the next 26 games after that.

    That was the turning point for Roy's season from great and almost certainly the MIP to cringe worthy and hard to watch.

    This team seems to be a lot different. Biggest key is the coach of course. And this team has a much tougher mentality... so we think.

    We will see what they are made of.

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    Frank wants them playing at least .500 ball on the road. He stresses this on every road trip. Over the last two seasons, we've surprised great teams on the road with a team that is not as good or deep as it is now. I expect that we will continue to beat some good teams but probably lose the majority of road games to great teams. The difference will be that we should beat the likes of GSW and NJ on the road without question if at or near full strength. This did not happen last year.

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    I pray McBob doesn't have a monster game Sunday. Nothing personally against Josh but the board will go nuts.
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    If the Pacers are really aiming to be a respectable team once again, winning road games and against the elite teams of the East and West should be their aim. Of course they should also take care of the sub .500 teams. The likes of Chicago, Orlando and Lakers are the ones that draw attention right now, so they should aim to win those games to gain some attention and respect from fans and the media.

    While losing to some of the upcoming games from elite teams is acceptable, that expectation should not be their aim. Otherwise, they'll look to be playoff pretenders on the eyes of the NBA community just like last year as they look to have no chance at beating play-off caliber teams.

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    Anything less than 5-3 would be disappointing to me if we have our top 7 players available for all these games... Although I may be undervaluing Foster's contributions...

    I really want to generally see us win 2 out of every 3 games we play all season long...

    I feel it is possible if there are no major injuries this season...

    44-22 is what I hope we finish at... But I don't expect us to... Just hope...

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    Fifty wins in a regular season is considered a very good NBA team. That's 61% If we win 40 games this year that will be 60 %. That by any standard would be a very successful year for a team that hasn't been abover .500 for a long time. Relax, enjoy the games, rejoyce in the wins, forget the losses. 4-5 seed in the playoffs would be great! 2nd round is a good possibility.

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    I pray McBob doesn't have a monster game Sunday. Nothing personally against Josh but the board will go nuts.
    Nah, I hope McBob blows up.

    I want to win, but I'd also love to see McBob do great, in all of his games.

    McBob is perfect for the Showtime Lakers. He was not as good of a fit for us. Let him succeed and let the Pacers succeed. Life is good.


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    I like to break it down to week by week.

    @SAC tonight, @GS Friday
    @LAL Sun, vsORL Tuesday, @CHI Wednesday, @BOS Friday
    @ORL Sun, vsNJN Tuesday, @MIN Wednesday, @DAL Friday, vsORL Saturday

    I'm guessing 2-0 this week, 2-2 next week, 2-3 the week after that, for a 6-5 stretch from now until Feb 4th, leaving us at 15-8 heading into the first full week of February.

    This is of course assuming, Jeff Foster aside, our rotation stays healthy.

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    Uh, we play Orlando 3 times in 12 days, possibly without Jeff for any of them?

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    Uh, we play Orlando 3 times in 12 days, possibly without Jeff for any of them?

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    Why is everybody scared of the Bulls? We can beat those guys. Boozer can't guard Tyler

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    dammit Jeff stop being old

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    I like to break it down to week by week.

    @SAC tonight, @GS Friday
    @LAL Sun, vsORL Tuesday, @CHI Wednesday, @BOS Friday
    @ORL Sun, vsNJN Tuesday, @MIN Wednesday, @DAL Friday, vsORL Saturday

    I'm guessing 2-0 this week, 2-2 next week, 2-3 the week after that, for a 6-5 stretch from now until Feb 4th, leaving us at 15-8 heading into the first full week of February.

    This is of course assuming, Jeff Foster aside, our rotation stays healthy.
    I like that prognostication.

    Also: we'll probably win at least one we are supposed to lose and lose at least one we are supposed to win.
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    Im kinda tired of people telling others what kind of expectations they should have. If someone thinks we should win 50 games, who cares, its their expectations. If someone wants to start or bench someone, again who cares. Its not like Vogel is in here doing research. So many people get tight after anyone mentions EJ or throws another possible trade idea out. If you dont like what someone suggests, tell us why or dont post in the thread. I just see so many people chastising others for the dumbest reasons.

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    We all know how the tone can turn after a loss, and a string of losses can really get things going. But let's all keep the schedule in mind and set our expectations appropriately for the next few weeks.

    The last two 3 game trips are coming, the only West coast visit, and apart from the Texas 2 trip later this season this will basically mark the end of the road work for the Pacers.

    You have the Lakers game and games at Chicago and Orlando. Even going back to Boston could be tough despite their poor play so far. Add in a visit from Orlando as the "break" and even a tricky Warriors game in the middle of that first trip and you've got the potential to lose 6 of the next 7.

    4-5 losses looks very reasonable.

    And now we add the lack of Foster to that list too. It's going to get ugly most likely, but this is the tradeoff the team must pay for the super sweet April they have lined up.

    Let's just see the team get to the end of January above .500 and then start looking at how the schedule slowly turns and helps them build huge momentum down the stretch. FEB is better but still tough, MAR really starts to ease up.


    A bad end to January doesn't mean the team isn't ECF capable or needs to make changes, it just means it's the toughest portion of the schedule for a team still trying to lock in on who they are and how they win.

    When they lose home games to NJ or Utah, then we can talk about "fixing" the team.



    And you never know, they just might surprise us and do better than expected.
    Expecting to lose makes you a loser. You should expect to win every game. Thats why I hate hearing players who say if we go 500 on the road we had a good trip.

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    If the Pacers are really aiming to be a respectable team once again, winning road games and against the elite teams of the East and West should be their aim. Of course they should also take care of the sub .500 teams. The likes of Chicago, Orlando and Lakers are the ones that draw attention right now, so they should aim to win those games to gain some attention and respect from fans and the media.

    While losing to some of the upcoming games from elite teams is acceptable, that expectation should not be their aim. Otherwise, they'll look to be playoff pretenders on the eyes of the NBA community just like last year as they look to have no chance at beating play-off caliber teams.
    You are exactly right, well said.

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    Expecting to lose makes you a loser. You should expect to win every game. Thats why I hate hearing players who say if we go 500 on the road we had a good trip.
    I guess that makes Vogel a loser since he said their goal is to be .500 on the road.
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    Expecting to lose makes you a loser. You should expect to win every game. Thats why I hate hearing players who say if we go 500 on the road we had a good trip.
    There's a big difference between thinking at the tip off of a game ... "well, this one is over", and having realistic expectations for your team for the year, or even a road trip.

    You're trying to combine the two, when they can't be. You never go into any individual game thinking you lost, but you can't go thinking you're going to be undefeated every year either.

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