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  • Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

    Great to know that he is working on offense now.


    http://www.nba.com/pacers/caught_web...012_01_16.html

    Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

    Jan. 16, 2012


    Up until now, this has been the schedule of Allen Iverson's dreams: many games, few practices.

    That changes today for the Pacers, at least temporarily. With their longest downtime between games of the season other than the All-Star break, they will have the much-needed opportunity to spend some quality time on the practice floor as they prepare for a brutal stretch of schedule.

    With 12 games in 20 days to open the season, Coach Frank Vogel has had to take a novel approach to the occasional off day: more film study, less full-speed work on court. It isn't the ideal way to correct problems as they arise, or polish obvious rough edges. That's why, after giving the players Sunday off, he's looking forward to a sort of mini-camp.

    "Monday and Tuesday will be practices where we try to grow our offense a little bit, cover some things on the defensive end that we need to get better at and just take advantage of the time to improve," Vogel said, adding today's workout "probably will be like a training camp practice."

    "Not going to be crazy, not going to be a 3-hour practice or anything like that, but we want to take advantage of having the ability to have live action to work on things."

    His top priority?

    "Our offensive execution and our ability to read and space properly, probably the No. 1 thing," he said.

    As good as the defense has been through the 9-3 start (they rank in the top six defensively in points, field goal percentage, blocks and steals), the offense has struggled. Indiana ranks 20th in scoring (93.2), 26th in assists (17.7) and 27th in field goal percentage (.413).

    That has begun to turn in the past few games as Vogel has encouraged the players to increase the tempo. They've averaged 96 points in winning their last three including an average of 16.3 fast-break points, four above their season norm. They had a season-high 23 in the 97-83 win over Boston Saturday.

    Indiana already has won more games when scoring less than 100 points (eight) than all of last season (seven).

    "The total points per game is as much a byproduct of the pace of the game and we're not playing fast enough," Vogel said. "Hopefully we'll start getting our scores up into the hundreds but our defense has been very solid. I'm very pleased where we are with that."

    The man most in charge of pushing the pace is point guard Darren Collison, who in the last three games has 34 points, 15 assists and just three turnovers.

    "We have a lot of depth and we have guards that can push the ball up the court and get easy baskets," Collison said. "We didn't get that in our first five to seven games but we're starting to get that now. Frank has talked about getting easy points in transition to make the game easier for us and we have. George (Hill) did a good job pushing the ball up, P.G. (Paul George) did as well and I'm going to continue pushing it up."

    The Pacers' fast start will be tested in the next couple of weeks, with six of the next seven and eight of 10 on the road. Indiana is 5-0 at home, 4-3 on the road.

    "I'm excited with how we started," Vogel said. "Our defense is probably ahead of where we thought it would be. Our rebounding is what I thought it would be and our offense is probably behind what I thought it would be. But it was a big step (Saturday) with our guys understanding the power of the up-tempo game with the depth that we have.

    "(Associate Head Coach) Brian Shaw calls it a tag-team mentality. You push the tempo, wear them down, wear them down and then boom we get somebody else fresh in there that is just as good and then that second unit wears them down. We wear teams down with physicality on the glass and in the past and with tempo. That's the identity we want to have."
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    Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

    Loved every word.
    Reggie Miller is a God. Period.

    Passion. Pride. Pacers.

    It's ALWAYS Miller Time.
    #31 & Only

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      Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

      Yah I mean, I'll say it even tho no one.else will , this team can win the title.

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

        Getting out and running would help, but I also think they need to go to Roy Hibbert more in the half court too. I have seen him go 3-4 minutes without really touching the ball, way too often. I think he should get around 15 shots a game, but most nights it's closer to 10.
        "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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          Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

          Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
          Yah I mean, I'll say it even tho no one.else will , this team can win the title.
          You think we can beat Miami or Chicago in a 7-game series? Yeah, nobody else will (or should) say that.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

            Chicago add Hamilton
            Indiana add West and Hill and ? (Smith )
            why we cant? also Boozer and Noah cant play together
            Last edited by The Rocker; 01-18-2012, 09:25 AM.

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              Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

              Originally posted by The Rocker View Post
              Chicago add Hamilton
              Indiana add West and Hill and ? (Smith )
              why we cant? also Boozer and Noah cant play together
              Derrick. Rose.

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                Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                Paul . George.

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                  Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                  Originally posted by The Rocker View Post
                  Paul . George.


                  Paul George did as good a job as you can do on DRose, but he by no means equals, or cancels him out. DRose is an other worldly player.

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                    Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                    Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post


                    Paul George did as good a job as you can do on DRose, but he by no means equals, or cancels him out. DRose is an other worldly player.
                    Yes, great shoot-first PG. Last year Heat win without chances

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                      Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                      Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post


                      Paul George did as good a job as you can do on DRose, but he by no means equals, or cancels him out. DRose is an other worldly player.
                      Ahh, but we also have George Hill, who can help lock him down as well.

                      But the real key to stopping Rose is to get him off the court with foul trouble, and we might have the offensive weapons at guard to do that this year.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                        our ability to read and space properly, probably the No. 1 thing," he said.
                        Amen Frank.

                        You guys can do this, this team doesn't have to wait till next year. And that's coming from a fan that thought for certain this year would be the holding pattern year waiting to add more talent next summer.

                        It's clicking and with Danny's return to defense to go with Paul and Roy as the team's really outstanding defensive threats this team can frustrate opponents. Hill is looking 6th manish with his ability to do whatever needs done to put the team back on track, DC is hitting shots, Tyler is fighting and muscling like he does to frustrate opponents, and West has come through as the clutch guy several times in a way that actually feels somewhat Byron Scott-ish.

                        Scott seemed to give a very talented team a sense of confidence and conviction that they could make big plays and win tough games, and once that clicked the team really took off.

                        Because of all that I can see this team rising over the season to a point that they could honestly challenge the Bulls and Heat. We've seen both be vulnerable to this Pacers squad last season.

                        The offense has been the Pacers weak point so far, and it looks correctable. You have well defined offensive styles and roles, they just need to interact a little better and make some shots (esp Granger, West and Tyler).

                        It's very reasonable to think that you could have 18, 18, 16, 16 from some 4 of Danny, Roy, Paul, West, DC, Hill or Tyler on any given night. If you pair that with the defense they are playing, you've got a legit title threat.


                        I mean to me a top 4 finish would be incredible itself, that would mark a nice accomplishment, but I won't laugh at the idea of a surprise run to the ECF either. OTOH a team like Philly or Atlanta could just as easily send them packing in round 1.

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                          Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          You think we can beat Miami or Chicago in a 7-game series? Yeah, nobody else will (or should) say that.
                          Am I to take this to believe that you think we could win the West? Or were you just limiting it to teams in the East?


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                            Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            Am I to take this to believe that you think we could win the West? Or were you just limiting it to teams in the East?
                            No, not even close.

                            The East has better teams at the top, but the West is incredibly deep. I think we'd be fighting for a playoff spot out there.

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                              Re: Pacers use break to polish rough edges on offense

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              No, not even close.

                              The East has better teams at the top, but the West is incredibly deep. I think we'd be fighting for a playoff spot out there.
                              I just wanted to be clear on your intent there, haha. I had to do a double take when I saw it was you and you only mentioned Miami and Chicago.


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