I think Tyler is good enough to start but I want to wait for a bit more to see if West will get better or stay the same. Right now I think both are similar but I think Tyler plays better defense because alot of the time West looks really slow out there.
Both Tyler and West are bad at rotating on defense, one is better than the other one in different areas on defense, but in general both are average at best.
By the way I don't know if you saw Tyler's defense yesterday, he stole the ball from Bass hands and KG, he also had Ray Allen in front of him at one time and was stuck to him not letting him do anything, so yeah I don't think is that ridiculous.
Last edited by vnzla81; 01-15-2012 at 12:35 PM.
I really doubt Tyler cares whether or not he starts. And that's all that really matters to me. He gets to come in and beat the **** out of either a tired starter or a backup.
Everything is going pretty well the way it is. Why change now? If Tyler starts playing out of his mind, and in fact does look like he should be a starter, then so be it, start the guy. He will have earned every bit of starter minutes he gets. Until then, keep him where he is at. I mean its not like hes spoken about wanting to be traded bc on non starter minutes. He knows his role, and thats providing huge min off the bench, dominating second units.
I say keep things the way they are, and I might be the biggest Hansbrough fan on this board. I was estatic when Pacers drafted him
Last edited by CreekShow; 01-15-2012 at 12:52 PM.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Tyler is best suited as the Sixth Man on this team. David is worthy of starting. Neither guy has disappointed in their roles.
West has looked good and obviously, he's helped this team out in so many ways. It was the plan all along to have Tyler bring his energy off the bench.
It doesn't really matter who starts,does it?I mean Tyler is averaging 25.7 MPG and West 27MPG.It's not like West is 'stealing' Tyler's minutes and progression.Besides,what TraderJoe said,i completely agree with.
I also think we should not mess with what we have right now. It is got us to 9-3 and the Philly game we were undermanned.
I also believe Tyler could start, but does not need to right now. When this thread was started back in early December, we did not know that Tyler and West could exist on the court together. The only time I really want one of them playing over the other one is at the end of a close game. We need west in for that he is still a lot more clutch than Tyler.
I only meant this comparison in terms of their hustle and intangibles they bring every night. Sure Love is the superior player. But last year when I watched Love play I always thought, how is he producing these numbers? Its the same way with Tyler, how the heck is he producing these numbers ( that was back when he was getting the starters minutes at the beginning of the season and in preseason)
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
where was it spiteful ? where did i do anything but answer a challenge he posted?
And no Peck at THAT moment in time was NOT joking, i have known him long enough to know he does not want a soft C under no circumstances, his cry was real
and whether or not tyler would have to take it was not the question but read it as you want.
VNZLA raised a flag, i raised and called, that is all
Spitefull would be banning him for showing me up with a BS flag
Don't create a Vesuvius where we just dug a molehil
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.
If you've done 6 impossible things today?
Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!
We need ball movement in the starting lineup. And Tyler is just now getting that concept. He would "get his" more often off of the bench with Hill and other bench players.
West is the superior player, he does things that don't always show up on on the stat sheet. West has not been near as good as he will be, but he has been very clutch for us. I think West is only at about 75%, it takes time coming back from a major knee injury.
The lack of a proper training camp has probably hurt West more than most of the players. They haven't said it, but it's my believe that the coaches are limiting West's minutes early in the season.
I love what Tyler brings, but he's in the role he needs to be in right now. The thing that has impressed me about Tyler, is he still has very little real NBA experience. His rookie year was almost a complete waste (injury), his second season was half wasted by JOB's idiotic DNP's, he's still not had a proper training camp. Still there is no doubt he can play crucial minutes and be a main contributor on a really good team.
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The reason you don't start Tyler Hansbrough over David West, is the same reason he never should have started last year either. It has nothing to do with the numbers. He just isn't a great fit with the other players that would be around him, compared to how he can play his role off the bench. Putting him in the starting lineup, negatively alters both the first and second units.
When you look at the numbers, it doesn't make any sense either.
West has had a horrible start to the season shooting the ball, at only 43.7%. Yet, he's still shooting 5% better than Tyler. On a per-36 basis, he's averaging 14.6 points per game, 9.1 rebounds per game, and 3.2 assists, compared to 16.4 points, 8.6 rebounds, and 0.5 assists for Tyler. Somehow, Tyler has 1 more turnover despite having 25 fewer assists.
The only area where you can really say Tyler has been significantly better, is getting to the free throw line. At 7.1, he's getting 3.5 more attempts per-36 than West is. I think you'd lose a lot of that advantage if you put him in the starting line-up, considering he averaged 5.9 last year, but only 4.2 in games he started. His usage rate probably wouldn't decrease any, because when Tyler plays, he plays the same way no matter who he's with. However, I think it's fair to suggest that against the better/smarter defenders he'd see as a starter, he won't get to the line as much.
No reason to even think about making this change right now. West is the better player, and is the better fit as a starter. Tyler is probably a better scorer off the bench, and should be kept in that role.