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  • #16
    Re: Hansbrough showing he's ready for whatever awaits(Conrad Brunner)

    As soon as we signed D West I told my wife the plan was for Tyler to come off the bench, but that they would have a hard time keeping him out of the starting lineup. We need Tyler's toughness in the starting rotation. Honestly how many guys in this league would rather guard Tyler than West?, I doubt nobody. Roy is a fake tough guy, we need Tyler out there to make up for Roy being a wussy. Sorry Hibbert fans but its the truth and this is coming from a Hibbert fan and was pulling for the Pacers to get him in the draft. 7'2 struggles to rebound and when he gets up against a great defender in Noah he disapears all together. If I was the coach I would put Tyler on one side and foster on the other side of Roy in practice and have them just pound the crap out of him until he learned to be a man. By the end of practice he would either be crying or ready to take a swing at someone.

    The key to are season is Hibbert and thats why I am so down on him because when he gets up against a competent defender who plays tough he does a dissapearing act.
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    • #17
      Re: Hansbrough showing he's ready for whatever awaits(Conrad Brunner)

      Tyler is going to be our Ginobli (sp?). Arguably the best player on the team, but comes of the bench. I also believe that's a big reason SA was so good.

      Edit: Pretty much what Beezer said.
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      • #18
        Re: Hansbrough showing he's ready for whatever awaits(Conrad Brunner)

        Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
        So what exactly has West done for the last 8 years? Any great playoff moments to cite? Any rings?

        See this is what's wrong with the NBA. People think X player is better because he puts up better stats than Y. Well I hate to break it to you, but every year, 29 teams flame out and go home losers like the rest. So there can only be one true champion every year. All 29 other teams flame out and are failures to some degree.

        So this argument is about winning. No one, based off of stats alone, can build a championship team. What player gives you the best chance to win? I would say up to this point in their overall BASKETBALL careers, Hansbrough is the fiercer competitor and has locked himself into the basketball hall of fame because of his ability to help his team win championships at UNC. Has West ever been a part of a championship team past the high school level?

        Is West going to the hall for his 8 years in the NBA? How much of those stats were "empty" just like Troy Murphy's were for many years here? How much did West help the Hornets be a contender? Or was West just feeding off of CP3 and simply scoring "shallow" points like Murphy did?

        How can anyone prove one way or the other who truly is the better player? So was Troy Murphy really an All-star caliber player his last year here before we traded him? His stats would leave you to believe so...And this is what everyone is basing how West is "better" than Hansbrough with. Because he has basically put up 17 and 8 through his career in 35-40 minutes per game.

        So refute me with some evidence or just a hypothetical argument like mine, or hell ignore me I don't care. I don't hate West. I want him to be good for us. I'm just not so blind to the game and what it takes to win a championship that I'm going to look at stats to decide who the better player is at this point. Most people on this board are looking at West's stats and crowning him the superior player without ever seeing him step on the floor in a regular season game as an Indiana Pacer.

        So you my friend, are the one taking the Troy Murphy stance. You are arguing West is the better player when there is no way you have seen him play more than a handful of games in his career. You are basing this off of stats alone like people did with Murphy. You are taking the Murphy stance, not I, and you are crowning West the second coming because of his "stats" through his 8 year career. Not what he has done in the playoffs when the lights are on the pressure is ramped up.

        Does anyone here not realize that West's efficiency has dropped a lot when the playoffs start? He doesn't even shoot over 50 percent? Becomes slightly less efficient rebounding the ball? It's right there in the stats...The guy sure doesn't get better when the lights come one...I'd say Hansbrough does...
        Good post, too bad so many people don't understand what are you talking about here and instead call you a "hater", people forget that West got to play in a team with CP3(superstar), Tyson Chandler(all star) and Peja(former all star) and couldn't do anything, now people expect him many years later and after a knee injury to put the Pacers in his back and carry them to the promise land, I'm sorry but I don't see that happening.
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        • #19
          Re: Hansbrough showing he's ready for whatever awaits(Conrad Brunner)

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          Unless his health is a serious problem, some of you are going to be surprised by David West. I can't believe how dismissive some of you are of how good he's been and could easily still be.
          I think he is going to be good but not as good as many people here expect him to be, I don't think he is going to be as good as his 10mil dollars a year paycheck either, I could see him helping but not as much, I think he is going to average like 14 and 5, good but not all star or difference maker good.
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          • #20
            Re: Thoughts on this team from a somewhat disolusioned / starting to have new hope fan

            Originally posted by able View Post
            NO, first of all hate is not the right word, dislike is the correct one and secondly; the Hansbrough worshipping here of some has reached levels that makes you dislike the fellow to begin with.

            If it was up to the Tyler-Fans he would be starting over West or some even suggested he play over Roy; now tell me, what does that look like to you?

            Tyler is a nice bench player, IF HE STAYS within himself and his role.

            He is not nor will he be starter material a la West or Hibbert..

            That is not a bad thing, but his fans on this board make it so.

            And don't you dare compare him to DD, because DD played with finesse and smarts whilst being tough. So far Hans has acted tough, but no finess and no smarts.
            Mcbob fans like you do the same thing.

            And I would like to see a post were somebody said that Tyler should play in front of Hibbert, I'm sorry but I call on that one.
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            • #21
              Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

              If you want I will gladly post some more examples of what you say was never said!

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              • #22
                Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                Tryin to figure out what would make an admin post a spiteful post like this.

                Two people making off-hand (semi-joking) comments that Roy should sit in favor of Hansbrough constitutes a majority? lol... I hardly think 99% of people on this board ever did or currently do believe Hansbrough should take Hibbert's place in the starting line-up.

                EDIT: However, if Roy came out and played like he did for large parts of the middle of last season, I might have entertained the idea. :P Luckily Frank Vogel happened.
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                • #23
                  Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                  Originally posted by able View Post
                  If you want I will gladly post some more examples of what you say was never said!

                  do i love it when you have a nice archive.
                  Man I thought somebody stole my account.

                  Regarding all the post that you quoted from me, I am still backing that up, is really West playing that much better than Tyler? same defense(bad defense) similar rebounding and similar points per game, yes I like the veteran dealership off the court but other than that meh, I have been right about West so far, Tyler is making 2mil and West is making 10mil, give me the guy with the same productivity for 8mil less.

                  I also forgot that we are in PD of course some crazy people are going to say some crazy things, my bad for thinking that everybody here is rational, I should have known better after reading the "Westbrook thread" and the "we should bench Danny Granger thread" by bad on that one Able
                  Last edited by vnzla81; 01-15-2012, 11:50 AM.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Again I don't think is crazy to suggest to bring Dwest of the bench and leave Tyler in the starting unit because of his defense.
                    LOL really you wanted to bench West because Tyler's defense is better

                    West is a much better defender than Tyler IMO his 1v1 defense and help defense especially is much better than Tyler's

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    Tyler Hansbrough = equals this years Kevin Love.
                    This is just stupid talk comparing Klove to Tyler is just poor judgment

                    the only thing that is comparable is they both play with energy besides that Klove is better in every other area of the game defense he is better passing he is 100X better rebounding he is 100X better. Shooting and post game he is much better that is unfair to Tyler to compare him to IMO a future HOFer

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                    • #25
                      Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                      I can't say that starting Tyler over West is a completely bad idea, but I really love how Tyler "glues" the second unit together. West is good. I like him. I like Tyler. But I think what we have going here is working. Working VERY well. Maybe we can have him starting in situational reasons, but I can't see when that could happen.

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                      • #26
                        Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                        Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                        I can't say that starting Tyler over West is a completely bad idea, but I really love how Tyler "glues" the second unit together. West is good. I like him. I like Tyler. But I think what we have going here is working. Working VERY well. Maybe we can have him starting in situational reasons, but I can't see when that could happen.
                        Yep at this moment I wouldn't want to mess up with the starting unit, either way Tyler is getting most of the minutes because West obviously is still trying to get in shape.
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                        • #27
                          Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                          I think Tyler is good enough to start but I want to wait for a bit more to see if West will get better or stay the same. Right now I think both are similar but I think Tyler plays better defense because alot of the time West looks really slow out there.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            LOL really you wanted to bench West because Tyler's defense is better

                            West is a much better defender than Tyler IMO his 1v1 defense and help defense especially is much better than Tyler's
                            Both Tyler and West are bad at rotating on defense, one is better than the other one in different areas on defense, but in general both are average at best.

                            By the way I don't know if you saw Tyler's defense yesterday, he stole the ball from Bass hands and KG, he also had Ray Allen in front of him at one time and was stuck to him not letting him do anything, so yeah I don't think is that ridiculous.
                            Last edited by vnzla81; 01-15-2012, 12:35 PM.
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                            • #29
                              Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                              I really doubt Tyler cares whether or not he starts. And that's all that really matters to me. He gets to come in and beat the **** out of either a tired starter or a backup.


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                              • #30
                                Re: for vnzla (calling BS?? dumb move!)

                                Everything is going pretty well the way it is. Why change now? If Tyler starts playing out of his mind, and in fact does look like he should be a starter, then so be it, start the guy. He will have earned every bit of starter minutes he gets. Until then, keep him where he is at. I mean its not like hes spoken about wanting to be traded bc on non starter minutes. He knows his role, and thats providing huge min off the bench, dominating second units.

                                I say keep things the way they are, and I might be the biggest Hansbrough fan on this board. I was estatic when Pacers drafted him
                                Last edited by CreekShow; 01-15-2012, 12:52 PM.
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