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    Default Re: Saints @ 49ers

    Huh, would you look at that. Go to SI.com this morning, and this on the front page.

    Offense First

    The New England Patriots are trying to do something that, best I can tell, has never been done in NFL history. They are trying to become the first outdoor team to win a Super Bowl with a great offense and a lousy defense, at least by the statistics. I have no idea if they can pull it off.

    In looking back through the Super Bowl years, it seems that only two teams — the 2009 Saints and the 2006 Colts — have won a Super Bowl with a statistically great offense and a statistically lousy defense. I’ll use points scored and points allowed as a simple barometer for offense and defense*.
    http://joeposnanski.si.com/2012/01/1...2_a2&eref=sihp

    How fitting.

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    Brees is 4-2 in the playoffs over the last 5 seasons (07-11).

    Saints missed the playoffs in 07 and 08. In 09 they won all three games to win the Super Bowl. They lost their only game in '10, and then beat the Lions this year before losing to the Niners. So in the last 5 seasons, Brees is 4-2 in the playoffs with a ring.

    Going back to 06 (when NO went to the NFC title game) makes the most sense because it encompasses Brees's entire tenure there. Add 06 to the mix and he is 5-3 in the playoffs during his six year tenure with the Saints.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...Dr00/gamelog//

    For some reason, they omit the Detroit game from his game log. But he's 4-2 in the last 5 seasons.

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    What are we trying to prove/disprove here? Brady, Brees, and Rodgers have all proven they aren't a weak link.... and all still seem to be at the top of their games as shown by the seasons they've had.
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    Slick has to defend Tom's honor or something, because I said that Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers have been the two best QBs during the postseason recently, while making the point that the best QB in the game is often times on the losing end of the stick during the playoffs.
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    The 2006 Colts were 21st in yards allowed and 23rd in points allowed. The 2009 Saints were 25th in yards allowed and 20th in points allowed.

    For some reason the NFL's defensive rankings have always been given based upon yards allowed. You can dig up points allowed by referring to non-NFL sites like profootballreference.com

    If you use points scored and points allowed as a simple barometer for offense and defense, I grant that it is likely more relevant. Both have some significance, but it is points after all that go on the scoreboard. That ranking for whatever reason is not used by the NFL. The two metrics, yards or points, sometimes give very different pictures. As an example, the Patriots D this year is 15th-best in points allowed among teams this year but 31st in yards allowed. Further, they are 2nd-to-worst among all teams in NFL HISTORY in yards allowed.

    By the conventional way of ranking team defenses, yards allowed, the 2006 Colts were a lot closer to the league's median than they were to the league's bottom. The 2006 Colts defense (332 yards per game) is in fact much closer to the outstanding 2011 Ravens defense (289 yards per game, 43 yards less) than it is to the 2011 Patriots defense (411 yards per game, 79 yards more)

    The Colts defense was statistically superior, in yards allowed, to the Patriots D in 5 of the past 11 seasons: 2002, 2005, 2007, 2010, and 2011.

    The Patriots defense was statistically superior, in yards allowed, to the Colts D in 6 of the past 11 seasons: 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008*, and 2009.

    *In 2008 the two teams were actually in a virtual tie, with the same number of yards allowed per game until rounded to tenths of a yard.

    In the past 11 seasons the Patriots D ranked, on average, 16th: 24, 23, 7, 9, 26, 6, 4, 10, 11, 25, 31

    In the past 11 seasons the Colts D ranked, on average 17th: 29, 8, 11, 29, 11, 21, 3, 11, 18, 20, 25

    The Colts defense has been equivalent, in yards allowed, to the Patriots defense throughout the Manning-Brady era.
    Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 01-17-2012 at 02:19 PM.

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