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    Explain to me why Danny Granger is a better basketball player than James Jones, Anthony Morrow, Reggie Williams, or any other jump shooting roll player.

    And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious what people believe elevates Danny's game above these types of players.

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    Consistency. Athleticism. And he can do more than hit the three, although doesn't always act like it. And Defense.
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    Smh...All I can say is just watch the games?

    He's in another league compared to all the players you just named. Defense, rebounding, leadership, scoring, intangibles, consistency, getting to the rim and foul line...I would take Danny in all of those compared to who you just named. James Jones may be the most one dimensional player in the league. They say he learned from Reggie. Maybe he learned how to shoot from him. Because he sure didn't learn much else.
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    Why is Andrea Iguodala a better player than Dahntay Jones?

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    I'm not sure if I should laugh at this or be insulted or what. Comparing Danny Granger to any of these is like comparing Shaq to Priest Lauderdale.


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    Why's Dirk better than Andrea Bargnani?

    Other than him not being better so far this year I mean.

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    Smh...All I can say is just watch the games?

    He's in another league compared to all the players you just named. Defense, rebounding, leadership, scoring, intangibles, consistency, getting to the rim and foul line...I would take Danny in all of those compared to who you just named. James Jones may be the most one dimensional player in the league. They say he learned from Reggie. Maybe he learned how to shoot from him. Because he sure didn't learn much else.
    Thanks for the answer. I'm not sure I see much leadership, consistency, or ability to get to the rim from Danny though.

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    Why is Andrea Iguodala a better player than Dahntay Jones?
    First of all, Andre is 10 times more athletic. Also, he's a better offensive player in ever regard. He's a better passer, a better creator, and although he's streaky, he's still a better shooter. Dante is a very good perimeter defender, but Andre is an elite perimeter defender. Iguodala is a better rebounder too.

    Come to think of it, I don't think there's a single thing Dante does better than Andre.

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    Why's Dirk better than Andrea Bargnani?

    Other than him not being better so far this year I mean.
    That's simple: Dirk's offensive repertoire! Did you watch the playoffs last year? At times, there is simply no defending him.

    I actually like Bargnani a bit, but his offensive game isn't nearly as evolved as Dirk's (and that's such an gigantic understatement).

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    That's simple: Dirk's offensive repertoire! Did you watch the playoffs last year? At times, there is simply no defending him.

    I actually like Bargnani a bit, but his offensive game isn't nearly as evolved as Dirk's (and that's such an gigantic understatement).
    That's a completely inaccurate statement this season. Bargs has always been a great offensive player, but he's a completely different level this season. Before Dallas' run that had a lot more to do with a great zone scheme and just stellar, STELLAR, supporting cast play Dirk was a guy that put up "empty points." I'm not meaning to compare the two, but Bargs is every bit the player Dirk was when he was 26. I'm not kidding people, watch Bargs, it'll make a lot of you old purists puke I imagine but the guy's an elite offensive player.

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    I'm not sure if I should laugh at this or be insulted or what. Comparing Danny Granger to any of these is like comparing Shaq to Priest Lauderdale.
    Sorry for possibly derailing this topic but how on earth did you remember that guy?
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    Danny gets to the line. He has a midrange game, a bit of a post game. He has a feel for the ball defensively and help-wise is solid. He's stronger than those guys, and laterally isn't any worse than them.

    It's like asking what makes Anthony Morrow better than that guy in the rec that just sits in one spot jacking up threes all day, never missing.

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    If you just wanted to talk about jump shooting you might have an argument but the real difference between Danny and these other guys is DEFENSE. When Danny puts his mind to he is an elite defender. Someone had posted some stats on Danny and the players he defended. I think he had the best rating in the league?? if I remember correctly.
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    That's simple: Dirk's offensive repertoire! Did you watch the playoffs last year? At times, there is simply no defending him.

    I actually like Bargnani a bit, but his offensive game isn't nearly as evolved as Dirk's (and that's such an gigantic understatement).
    So you can see why Dirk is better than Bargnani. And you can see why Iguodala is better than D.Jones. But you cannot see why Granger is better than James Jones? And you are not trolling?

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    Why is Andrea Iguodala a better player than Dahntay Jones?
    you must be trolling. Iguodala can't hold Dahntay's jock ... Dahntay is the most dominant scorer I have ever seen step foot on a basketball court

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    What makes Granger any better than "Joe Wille, SF, YMCA - NAptown

    I mean Joey can shoot the rock if left unguarded
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    That's a completely inaccurate statement this season. Bargs has always been a great offensive player, but he's a completely different level this season. Before Dallas' run that had a lot more to do with a great zone scheme and just stellar, STELLAR, supporting cast play Dirk was a guy that put up "empty points." I'm not meaning to compare the two, but Bargs is every bit the player Dirk was when he was 26. I'm not kidding people, watch Bargs, it'll make a lot of you old purists puke I imagine but the guy's an elite offensive player.
    I don't think I'd even disagree with the bolded part. Like I said, I'm a fan of Bargs' game. I was saying that 33 year old Dirk has a better offensive game than 26 year old Bargs. With time, Bargs can still improve, but Dirk is one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game, clearly Andrea isn't on that level yet.

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    Alright, we've got the "dump on Danny" thread!

    Players that need a thread in order to crap on them:
    Paul George
    Darren Collison
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Danny Granger
    Jeff Foster
    Lance Stephenson
    George Hill
    Dahntay Jones
    Lou Amundson
    Jeff Pendergraph
    A.J. Price

    Did I miss one? I think I'll start a "I think Roy Hibbert murders children" thread just to get Roy's over with.

    Oh wow! I just checked and apparently the Pacers are 7-3!
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    What makes Granger any better than "Joe Wille, SF, YMCA - NAptown

    I mean Joey can shoot the rock if left unguarded
    Come on, I'm saying Granger's skills translate into a very good NBA roll player, I'm not saying he should be running 5s at the Y. Like I said, I'm not trolling, and this isn't a Granger hate thread, I just don't see anything in his game that makes him anywhere near a franchise guy.

    I mean, people are actually saying Danny's "athleticism" separates him. That's laughable. Same with the notion that he has any ability to "get to the rim".

    As for defense and rebounding, I don't think Danny is atrocious in either category, but I don't think he's necessarily above averaged in those categories either.

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    Come on, I'm saying Granger's skills translate into a very good NBA roll player, I'm not saying he should be running 5s at the Y. Like I said, I'm not trolling, and this isn't a Granger hate thread, I just don't see anything in his game that makes him anywhere near a franchise guy.

    I mean, people are actually saying Danny's "athleticism" separates him. That's laughable. Same with the notion that he has any ability to "get to the rim".

    As for defense and rebounding, I don't think Danny is atrocious in either category, but I don't think he's necessarily above averaged in those categories either.
    Granger a role player?? I am not big on Danny actually would trade him if we got fair value. But calling him a role player is disrespectful IMO. And pendagraph already got his own thread bashing same with a few others on the list just stupid IMO
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    Alright, we've got the "dump on Danny" thread!

    Players that need a thread in order to crap on them:
    Paul George
    Darren Collison
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Danny Granger
    Jeff Foster
    Lance Stephenson
    George Hill
    Dahntay Jones
    Lou Amundson
    Jeff Pendergraph
    A.J. Price

    Did I miss one? I think I'll start a "I think Roy Hibbert murders children" thread just to get Roy's over with.

    Oh wow! I just checked and apparently the Pacers are 7-3!
    LOL........ Got a good laugh outa that

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    Yeah I don't think you are a "longtimepacersfan" if you don't know how valuable Danny is? and I am supposed to be a Danny Granger hater.

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    Granger a role player?? I am not big on Danny actually would trade him if we got fair value. But calling him a role player is disrespectful IMO
    Either your a roll player or a star player and I don't think he's got the package to be a star player.

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    Either your a roll player or a star player and I don't think he's got the package to be a star player.
    It's Role player, as in playing a role, not doing somesault. That seems like a very narrow definition of what players are. I think a player can be a solid starter and not a star or role player.

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    Come on, I'm saying Granger's skills translate into a very good NBA roll player, I'm not saying he should be running 5s at the Y. Like I said, I'm not trolling, and this isn't a Granger hate thread, I just don't see anything in his game that makes him anywhere near a franchise guy.

    I mean, people are actually saying Danny's "athleticism" separates him. That's laughable. Same with the notion that he has any ability to "get to the rim".

    As for defense and rebounding, I don't think Danny is atrocious in either category, but I don't think he's necessarily above averaged in those categories either.
    He's not a franchise guy really.. I mean he is by default but we are already talking about PG being a franchise guy and he's still unproven.. Iggy really isn't a franchise guy but just like Danny he is by default and the same goes for a number of well paid NBA players on teams.

    What seperates Danny is that he is a very smart player and he has the ability to hit tough contested shots. James Jones does not and can not do what Danny does on a nightly basis.

    If your not sold on Danny after the Bulls series then either you didn't watch it or decided to ignore a good portion of Dannys contributions to that tough series.

    Either way I doubt you want to be convinced of anything beyond your preconcieved notions.

    Edit: Do you think Reggie Miller was just a jump shooter?
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    Explain to me why Danny Granger is a better basketball player than James Jones, Anthony Morrow, Reggie Williams, or any other jump shooting roll player.

    And I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious what people believe elevates Danny's game above these types of players.
    Danny can get off his shot, and hit them at a good percentage.

    A lot of jump shooters can't do that. They are either too small, too slow, don't know how to use screens, have bad ball handling..etc. So they depend on the point guard to not only get them the ball, but get them open.

    Very good to great players get their shots anytime they want to (so long as there is a working offense) so long as they move without the ball well, or have some sort of physical advantage.

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