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    That's a good point.

    What PG do you think we could get that would be a "star' on our team, that we could get for DC and Tyler?
    I'll have to look team by team to see who I truly think we could get. Personally, Id wet myself if we ended up with Monta Ellis.

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    I lost my mind when Jeff nailed that 3. Amazing.

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    With the current set up we are going to eventually have some unhappy people. 4 of our 5 bench guys all want to score and West isn't going to like keeping reduced PT in his 2 year deal.


    Tonight was fine but West isn't going to keep liking 27 MGP after getting massive PT the last several years. Tyler doesn't rebound well with Jeff out there IMO and losing one the positives he brings reduces he value and West does need more PT so taking away time from him will also hurt Tyler's value and with Lou and Jeff P we are wasting money for two guys to rarely play.
    I see Kemo addressed the West thing already, so I'll just point out that every team has a couple of guys who rarely play. Neither Lou or Jeff P is making that much money and in all likelihood, neither is good enough for a big role on a very good team. PF is one of our strongest positions again, FINALLY. I am not at all eager to downgrade by shipping Tyler out. DC isn't perfect by any means but I am not ready to hand over the keys to Lance either. I just think that is way too premature and I am not seeing the bench problems you are seeing. The guys have bought into the team concept Vogel is selling. I am not adverse to moves that will clearly make us better, but barring that I want to see where this thing can go.
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    Yeah we are 7 and 3, the Pacers would have to be crazy to make a move right now.

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    When this team puts it all together and focuses, which hasn't happened with any consistency so far, it's scary how good they can be defensively. And what they can lead to on offense.

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    I think this might be a top 5 team in the NBA.

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    ?? They clearly stopped it is basketball unwritten rule to let the clock run out. I proablly would of closed lined him as well.

    DG *****ed about the Raptors doing it last year(when we did it to them first). It just makes you look like a poor sport and is very stupid thing that Lou did IMO.

    Im sure the coaching staff will make sure they don't do it again.
    ?? They did not stop. Two guys came after the ball when we had the ball and shot clock turned off. They were not sitting around waiting for the game to end.

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    West is fine with it, he didn't come to Indiana to be "the man". He came here for a myriad of reasons. I mean the man mentioned one of main reasons many times in his first interview... that being DEPTH..

    David wants to win and make some legit runs for some rings..

    He done said that evenly sharing minutes with Tyler doesn't bother him at all. Heck he picks up his extra minutes backing up Roy and Foster ...

    LOL at Channing Frye ..
    I love Nash, but at this point in his career with it winding down, it's just not worth losing any of our core for a year or 2 rental of a 37yr old player..

    I'd rather have DC and watch him grow into and become our point guard for years to come, than find ourselves back to square 1 in a year or 2 at the pg position..
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    He may be fine with it while getting his legs back but I don't see him liking it once's he's gets his game back. He's averaging 10 less MPG that what he's had over the last 5 years, that's a big kit to your numbers with FA right back around the corner.

    You don't like a 6'11 guy in Frye who can hit the 3 ball at 40% as well as rebound and actually make make his FT's? Adding Nash and giving West more PT would make us a legit threat in the East, could you imagine with Nash dashing around sending out 10+ dimes a game to West, PG, Danny and Big Roy.

    That starting 5 would be one of the leagues best we a nice bench backing them up.

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    You don't like a 6'11 guy in Frye who can hit the 3 ball at 40% as well as rebound and actually make make his FT's?
    Honestly? No, I don't. Sounds like Troy Murphy Part Two. He's a nice enough player, but that kind of PF no longer fits in with the style of play we have going.

    Of course, I would love to have Nash. But he's old enough that I probably wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get him (more than DC and Tyler, I think we'd have to throw in PG and maybe a pick too).
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    He put up 15 in 01/02. The hell was that about?
    Scorers probably confused him with Cro.

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    Lance played a good game but he still has a lot of work to do when it comes to working on his game awareness. Just seems careless out there sometimes.
    So does PG. They are both young and will improve.

    The ball movement was a thing of beauty tonight. There were times when a guy could have shot the ball with a defender running up on them, but they passed to a wide open player to drain a shot.

    We keep that up and our shooting percentages will be like tonight.

    Didn't catch the second half, but I recorded it. Can't wait to watch it later.
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    I see Kemo addressed the West thing already, so I'll just point out that every team has a couple of guys who rarely play. Neither Lou or Jeff P is making that much money and in all likelihood, neither is good enough for a big role on a very good team. PF is one of our strongest positions again, FINALLY. I am not at all eager to downgrade by shipping Tyler out. DC isn't perfect by any means but I am not ready to hand over the keys to Lance either. I just think that is way too premature and I am not seeing the bench problems you are seeing. The guys have bought into the team concept Vogel is selling. I am not adverse to moves that will clearly make us better, but barring that I want to see where this thing can go.
    The problem isn't with the bench yet but it will show up eventually. We have too many scorers and only one rock and in time all the starters are going to see their time go up and the bench is going to fighting for shots which will lead to some bad play.

    If Lance starts getting close to 20 min a game we have 4 score first guys and Foster who Tyler will always defer rebounds to. I like both guys but moving DC and Tyler seems like a smart move to make this team a East favorite and keep everyone on the roster happy in the long run.

    West is a leader but he isn't going to like getting 10 less min a game over his norm in the long run. He's only got a 2 year deal so he's not going to like taking reduced numbers back out on the market in 2 years looking to get paid.

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    I don't think people here in Indy realize how good this team really is.

    I mean come on, 10,344 in attendance?

    Anyway, I see this being the worst of the attendance and the crowds will only get better as the season continues because no one will resist good basketball no matter what night of the week it is.

    Though the crowd was small, everyone was having a great time. It's games like these where people are missing out on, but I'm sure so many tuned in on TV and wished they were there.

    With that said, GREAT TEAM WIN!!!!!! Let's keep that team effort going guys!
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    Ok, so Foster is now 7 for 54 from three. Why the hell has foster taken 54 threes?
    Because he has played 13 years and sometimes even a big guy finds himself open as the last option at the 3 point arc (e.g., like after setting a pick) as the shot clock or game clock is winding down, that's why. Next question...

    (BTW, he steps up his 3 point shooting in the playoffs, where he is hitting a cool 40% on 2 for 5 shooting!!!)
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    Glad to see them win I didn't watch the game the new semester started this week but I saw the highlights.

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    Honestly? No, I don't. Sounds like Troy Murphy Part Two. He's a nice enough player, but that kind of PF no longer fits in with the style of play we have going.

    Of course, I would love to have Nash. But he's old enough that I probably wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get him (more than DC and Tyler, I think we'd have to throw in PG and maybe a pick too).
    Troy Murphy part 2 would be great coming off the bench, our 3 smaller players on the second unit all love to taking it inside so stretching the floor would be a plus for them. So moving DC and Tyler in that trade would make our starting 5 elite and improve the balance of our 2nd unit.
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    I don't think people here in Indy realize how good this team really is.

    I mean come on, 10,344 in attendance?

    Anyway, I see this being the worst of the attendance and the crowds will only get better as the season continues because no one will resist good basketball no matter what night of the week it is.

    Though the crowd was small, everyone was having a great time. It's games like these where people are missing out on, but I'm sure so many tuned in on TV and wished they were there.

    With that said, GREAT TEAM WIN!!!!!! Let's keep that team effort going guys!

    It will take more than one playoff appearance for this city to notice its fairweathered sad to say.

    They have to be consistent in winning and the Colts have to be bad as well(well on their way at this point) for anyone to notice

    You also need to factor in the NBA isn't as popular as it was when the Pacers were good in the 90s so a lot of the interest is gone right there.

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    I don't care what part is it, anything Troy Murphy part WHATEVER can stay far far away from here!

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    I don't think people here in Indy realize how good this team really is.

    I mean come on, 10,344 in attendance?
    Weekday game at an early point in the season. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I mean, they just drew 17k to see the BOBCATS of all teams on Saturday night.
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    Amazing that none of the starters played in the fourth quarter. Games like that are great in the shortened season. More rest for the starters.

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    The problem isn't with the bench yet but it will show up eventually. We have too many scorers and only one rock and in time all the starters are going to see their time go up and the bench is going to fighting for shots which will lead to some bad play.

    If Lance starts getting close to 20 min a game we have 4 score first guys and Foster who Tyler will always defer rebounds to. I like both guys but moving DC and Tyler seems like a smart move to make this team a East favorite and keep everyone on the roster happy in the long run.

    West is a leader but he isn't going to like getting 10 less min a game over his norm in the long run. He's only got a 2 year deal so he's not going to like taking reduced numbers back out on the market in 2 years looking to get paid.
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    Amazing that none of the starters played in the fourth quarter. Games like that are great in the shortened season. More rest for the starters.
    Roy actually played for about 90 seconds of the fourth.
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    I've been holding back my enthusiasm and frustrations in the past post games, but tonight it is really hard. I said to myself we better come out second half and smash the Hawks by 25 since they don't have Horford, just like they have us for years. Sure we cleared the end of the bench, but they were still playing hard so we only won by 12. I feel in years past they would have left their starters in and still dominated us. I'm glad we are a team like that this year, because it really is a strength. Being able to keep your guys fresh in the 82 game season is a challenge, but in this shortened season even more so.

    Vogel has done excellent with the rotations even if it has hurt us at certain times by leaving the starters on the bench too long. You really have to think about the long haul this year. When healthy, we are a top 5 team. Finally my dream prediction came true I believe. We are a top 5 team in the East. I knew we had to make some moves, but I didn't know how many. Sometimes I believe in our players too much, but I think overall we are developing young talent at a level I haven't ever seen here. This really is exciting. It was sad to see the Fieldhouse so empty tonight. Vogel should definitely be in the running for coach of the year.

    Just like Roy Hibbert should seriously be in consideration for the All Star game and I would think he should be in the talk for most improved player? I don't know if that's possible for him but it should be. He really has taken a huge jump few centers ever take. He is pretty much unstoppable in the post. We need to continue to run the offense through him. I still believe Hibbert would have been the first center to have a triple double since Hakeem, but JOB didn't let him finish the game. That happened twice one year. The team needs to believe in him and run the offense through him because he is so smooth at hitting the cutters. I believe the day he pulls off a triple double, it will be a blowout win for us.

    SIGN HIM TO AN EXTENSION NOW!!! Give him the keys to the car and tell him he's our future. The only spirited part of the arena is the section he pays for out of his own money. The guy is really becoming something special. He's a great guy and he's like a big brother to the fans.

    Once Lance and Paul George develop sooner or later, we are going to be unstoppable. Seriously the only team with the wing depth that can match the Heat other than Philly currently. Stephenson, Granger, and George. That is a deadly combination I really want to see on the floor in certain situations. Lance really showed the quickness of a point guard tonight. He is really unorthodox, but I trust the ball in his hands. He makes excellent passes that are rarely turned over. He may be the strongest guard we have ever had. No one can post him up easily. I wish he would work on his post game. Mark Jackson tapes would do him miracles. But didn't they outlaw the way Jackson did it best?

    Granger finally came around. He is unstoppable when he is on. I don't see why people question his All Star credentials anymore. Even when his shot is off this year, the intangibles and defense he brings are great. He is statistically one of the top one on one defenders in the league for a reason. When you watch him play, it is usually great defense. If we traded him for Gordon, we would be a lot worse off. When Granger doesn't play, it is very hard for us to win. Imagine having him gone and EJ out all them games and think where our record may be. I couldn't see us being a .500 team without him until George and Lance develop. They are both 21 so there is plenty of time. If Granger can just keep his level of play up he currently has for at least 5 more years this team could be really special.

    Hansbrough needs to get rid of the glasses soon. They were throwing him off a little, I could just feel the angst. Collison is very, very solid on both ends of the floor this year. He was the steal of a lifetime for Troy Murphy. Foster's game hasn't fallen off one bit. If anything it is better, because the team is better. I love having him on this team.

    Ok that's the end of my long rant. Goodnight.

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    Great game tonight. Totally unexpected. Horford going down obviously helped, but guys get hurt in this league. No excuse for them, but I hope he he gets a good report back from the doctor tomorrow. The Hawks looked tired, and they probably were considering the schedule they've played, but this was a really nice win for us.

    Positives

    Roy Hibbert: I don't want to jinx him, and he did similar things to start the year last season only to regress, but Roy is dominating out there. He's killing these teams on the defensive end, and when we need a basket offensively, all we have to do is get it to him down low. I wish we did that more often. He's playing like an absolute beast right now on both ends. Feed the big fella.

    David West: He looks likes he starting to get more comfortable. He shouldn't hesitate to put up the midrange jumper. The guy is just really skilled. He's a much better passer than I thought. He is one of the few players we have that consistently looks to dump it down into Roy on the post. With the way Roy passes, these two will be able to work off of each other so well. When they are in the game together, the interior passing is really fun to watch. Turns out the offense does allow the power forward to pass some.

    Danny Granger Obviously his best offensive game of the year. We need him to shoot the ball better, glad he did tonight. Hope he keeps it going this weekend.

    Lance Stephenson Best game of his career obviously. I still think tonight showed he isn't a point guard. Have there ever been three luckier assists in a game?

    Negatives

    Tyler Hansbrough He was awful offensively, and even worse defensively. This guy is a white hole. There has never been a bigger fluke than him getting two assists in the span of about a minute on Monday. Is it really possible he played 22 minutes and didn't grab a single rebound? Hopefully it had more to do with his vision being messed up than it did him just being woefully overmatched by Josh Smith and Ivan Johnson. Who's Ivan Johnson anyway?

    The Pony-Tailed Weirdo Collins should have hit him harder than he did. If you don't think Atlanta will remember that bush league play when we see them again later this year, you're nuts. He followed it up by going wide right on the first free throw. I hope he hears about that retarded from both his teammates (I'm looking at you D. West) and the coaches. Just garbage.

    4 positives and only 2 negatives. You all should be impressed.

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    It will take more than one playoff appearance for this city to notice its fairweathered sad to say.

    They have to be consistent in winning and the Colts have to be bad as well(well on their way at this point) for anyone to notice

    You also need to factor in the NBA isn't as popular as it was when the Pacers were good in the 90s so a lot of the interest is gone right there.
    The Colts have nothing to do with this. If you're a good team, you'll get what you deserve. This is slowly becoming a Pacers town again.

    That last statement is total as is your whole statement.

    People won't resist good Pacers basketball and people know this team is beginning to contend. Local radio shows are talking much more about the team and more people are calling in. So it's time to ditch the whole "nobody knows about the team we have."

    After this game, attendance is looking much better. Tonight was just a rare, tiny weeknight crowd. Almost everyone has those nights.
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    Weekday game at an early point in the season. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I mean, they just drew 17k to see the BOBCATS of all teams on Saturday night.
    Absolutely correct.

    The Friday and Saturday night games are looking to be packed and as the season continues, the weeknight attendance will be much better.

    This has become a Pacers town again!
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