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  • #76
    Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

    Originally posted by Psyren View Post
    That's a good point.

    What PG do you think we could get that would be a "star' on our team, that we could get for DC and Tyler?
    I'll have to look team by team to see who I truly think we could get. Personally, Id wet myself if we ended up with Monta Ellis.

    Monta
    PG
    Danny
    D West
    Roy

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    • #77
      I lost my mind when Jeff nailed that 3. Amazing.

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      • #78
        Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

        Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
        With the current set up we are going to eventually have some unhappy people. 4 of our 5 bench guys all want to score and West isn't going to like keeping reduced PT in his 2 year deal.


        Tonight was fine but West isn't going to keep liking 27 MGP after getting massive PT the last several years. Tyler doesn't rebound well with Jeff out there IMO and losing one the positives he brings reduces he value and West does need more PT so taking away time from him will also hurt Tyler's value and with Lou and Jeff P we are wasting money for two guys to rarely play.
        I see Kemo addressed the West thing already, so I'll just point out that every team has a couple of guys who rarely play. Neither Lou or Jeff P is making that much money and in all likelihood, neither is good enough for a big role on a very good team. PF is one of our strongest positions again, FINALLY. I am not at all eager to downgrade by shipping Tyler out. DC isn't perfect by any means but I am not ready to hand over the keys to Lance either. I just think that is way too premature and I am not seeing the bench problems you are seeing. The guys have bought into the team concept Vogel is selling. I am not adverse to moves that will clearly make us better, but barring that I want to see where this thing can go.
        "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

        "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

        "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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        • #79
          Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

          Yeah we are 7 and 3, the Pacers would have to be crazy to make a move right now.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #80
            Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

            When this team puts it all together and focuses, which hasn't happened with any consistency so far, it's scary how good they can be defensively. And what they can lead to on offense.

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            • #81
              Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

              I think this might be a top 5 team in the NBA.

              Heat
              Thunder
              Bulls
              Blazers
              Pacers
              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              • #82
                Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                ?? They clearly stopped it is basketball unwritten rule to let the clock run out. I proablly would of closed lined him as well.

                DG *****ed about the Raptors doing it last year(when we did it to them first). It just makes you look like a poor sport and is very stupid thing that Lou did IMO.

                Im sure the coaching staff will make sure they don't do it again.
                ?? They did not stop. Two guys came after the ball when we had the ball and shot clock turned off. They were not sitting around waiting for the game to end.

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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                  Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                  West is fine with it, he didn't come to Indiana to be "the man". He came here for a myriad of reasons. I mean the man mentioned one of main reasons many times in his first interview... that being DEPTH..

                  David wants to win and make some legit runs for some rings..

                  He done said that evenly sharing minutes with Tyler doesn't bother him at all. Heck he picks up his extra minutes backing up Roy and Foster ...

                  LOL at Channing Frye ..
                  I love Nash, but at this point in his career with it winding down, it's just not worth losing any of our core for a year or 2 rental of a 37yr old player..

                  I'd rather have DC and watch him grow into and become our point guard for years to come, than find ourselves back to square 1 in a year or 2 at the pg position..
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                  He may be fine with it while getting his legs back but I don't see him liking it once's he's gets his game back. He's averaging 10 less MPG that what he's had over the last 5 years, that's a big kit to your numbers with FA right back around the corner.

                  You don't like a 6'11 guy in Frye who can hit the 3 ball at 40% as well as rebound and actually make make his FT's? Adding Nash and giving West more PT would make us a legit threat in the East, could you imagine with Nash dashing around sending out 10+ dimes a game to West, PG, Danny and Big Roy.

                  That starting 5 would be one of the leagues best we a nice bench backing them up.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                    Originally posted by Asher99 View Post

                    You don't like a 6'11 guy in Frye who can hit the 3 ball at 40% as well as rebound and actually make make his FT's?
                    Honestly? No, I don't. Sounds like Troy Murphy Part Two. He's a nice enough player, but that kind of PF no longer fits in with the style of play we have going.

                    Of course, I would love to have Nash. But he's old enough that I probably wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get him (more than DC and Tyler, I think we'd have to throw in PG and maybe a pick too).
                    "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                    "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                    "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                      He put up 15 in 01/02. The hell was that about?
                      Scorers probably confused him with Cro.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                        Originally posted by cramerica View Post
                        Lance played a good game but he still has a lot of work to do when it comes to working on his game awareness. Just seems careless out there sometimes.
                        So does PG. They are both young and will improve.

                        The ball movement was a thing of beauty tonight. There were times when a guy could have shot the ball with a defender running up on them, but they passed to a wide open player to drain a shot.

                        We keep that up and our shooting percentages will be like tonight.

                        Didn't catch the second half, but I recorded it. Can't wait to watch it later.
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                          Originally posted by gummy View Post
                          I see Kemo addressed the West thing already, so I'll just point out that every team has a couple of guys who rarely play. Neither Lou or Jeff P is making that much money and in all likelihood, neither is good enough for a big role on a very good team. PF is one of our strongest positions again, FINALLY. I am not at all eager to downgrade by shipping Tyler out. DC isn't perfect by any means but I am not ready to hand over the keys to Lance either. I just think that is way too premature and I am not seeing the bench problems you are seeing. The guys have bought into the team concept Vogel is selling. I am not adverse to moves that will clearly make us better, but barring that I want to see where this thing can go.
                          The problem isn't with the bench yet but it will show up eventually. We have too many scorers and only one rock and in time all the starters are going to see their time go up and the bench is going to fighting for shots which will lead to some bad play.

                          If Lance starts getting close to 20 min a game we have 4 score first guys and Foster who Tyler will always defer rebounds to. I like both guys but moving DC and Tyler seems like a smart move to make this team a East favorite and keep everyone on the roster happy in the long run.

                          West is a leader but he isn't going to like getting 10 less min a game over his norm in the long run. He's only got a 2 year deal so he's not going to like taking reduced numbers back out on the market in 2 years looking to get paid.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                            I don't think people here in Indy realize how good this team really is.

                            I mean come on, 10,344 in attendance? :shakehead

                            Anyway, I see this being the worst of the attendance and the crowds will only get better as the season continues because no one will resist good basketball no matter what night of the week it is.

                            Though the crowd was small, everyone was having a great time. It's games like these where people are missing out on, but I'm sure so many tuned in on TV and wished they were there.

                            With that said, GREAT TEAM WIN!!!!!! Let's keep that team effort going guys!
                            In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                              Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                              Ok, so Foster is now 7 for 54 from three. Why the hell has foster taken 54 threes?
                              Because he has played 13 years and sometimes even a big guy finds himself open as the last option at the 3 point arc (e.g., like after setting a pick) as the shot clock or game clock is winding down, that's why. Next question...

                              (BTW, he steps up his 3 point shooting in the playoffs, where he is hitting a cool 40% on 2 for 5 shooting!!!)
                              Last edited by joeyd; 01-11-2012, 11:54 PM.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

                                Glad to see them win I didn't watch the game the new semester started this week but I saw the highlights.

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