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  • 2012 NFL Draft

    The draft is going to be approaching before we even know it. As Colts fans, we are eagerly looking forward to it, not being a part of the playoffs AND having the #1 pick. We just hired our new GM, Ryan Grigson. So I think it would be a pretty good time to start chatting about the whole draft, even past that #1, Andrew Luck pick. Here is an example of what one site has us picking up in the draft:

    Colts picks from Draftsite(By Round):
    1. Andrew Luck QB, Stanford, 6'4, 235 lbs
    2. Stephon Gilmore CB, South Carolina 6'1, 188 lbs
    3. Chandler Jones DE, Syracuse 6'5, 251 lbs
    4. Derek Wolf DT, Cincinnati 6'5, 298 lbs
    5. Harrison Smith S, Notre Dame, 6'2, 212 lbs
    6. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State 6'5, 220 lbs
    7. James Brooks OG, Virginia Tech 6'2 296 lbs

    http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2012

    Obviously this list will change a lot and vary from site to site, but its a good start. Feel free to discuss anything about the draft in here!

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    Re: 2012 NFL Draft

    If Burficit falls, does anyone think the Colts should snag him? I don't see the Ravens passing on him, but thought I would throw that out there.

    I guess it would depend on the type of coach the new GM puts in place (I think Caldwell will be let go).
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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      I'm afraid I don't watch college football at all so....but I do like the idea with our 2nd round pick were going close to where we've been picking in the first round for a number of years. I know our defense has so many problems but we're probably saying goodbye to Reggie so we have to look for his replacement as well.
      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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        Re: 2012 NFL Draft

        Originally posted by RWB View Post
        I'm afraid I don't watch college football at all so....but I do like the idea with our 2nd round pick were going close to where we've been picking in the first round for a number of years. I know our defense has so many problems but we're probably saying goodbye to Reggie so we have to look for his replacement as well.
        Ya if we could pick that Corner up in the second round that would be a great pick. He's a very talented CB who can also be a good kick returner. Can be inconsistant at times but should be worth the pick. Some have him gone in the first round though.

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          Re: 2012 NFL Draft

          If Jeffery is there for the Bears I would be ecstatic

          this mock is weird though I dont see any way Lamicheal James goes first rd.

          I could be way off but the trend is RB going later and later and James isnt even a 3 down guy he is a specialty guy.
          Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-11-2012, 02:03 PM.

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            Re: 2012 NFL Draft

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            If Jeffery is there for the Bears I would be ecstatic

            this mock is weird though I dont see any way Lamicheal James goes first rd.

            I could be way off but the trend is RB going later and later and James isnt even a 3 down guy he is a specialty guy.
            Ya Jeffery was really impressive in his bowl game matchup against one of the best Corners... Though they were both tossed for fighting, it was a great matchup to watch, which Jeffery got the best of.

            Also agree, if a RB is not a dominant guy like Richardson, he's not all that important. Many teams go with a two or three back scheme, switching back and forth to mix it up.

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              Re: 2012 NFL Draft

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              If Jeffery is there for the Bears I would be ecstatic

              this mock is weird though I dont see any way Lamicheal James goes first rd.

              I could be way off but the trend is RB going later and later and James isnt even a 3 down guy he is a specialty guy.
              A team could reach for him just like the Lions did with Jahvid Best which James reminds me of.

              Personally I think the COlts go wr sooner than 6th round but thats just me.

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                Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                1st 1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford 6'4" 235
                2nd 34 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6'2" 220
                3rd 65 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6'1" 310
                4th 98 Shaun Prater CB Iowa 5'10" 185
                5th 130 Ryan Miller OG Colorado 6'8" 298
                6th 161 Jake Baquette DE Arkansas 6'5" 271
                7th 194 BJ Cunningham WR Michigan St. 6'2" 223

                this would be my idea of a solid draft, but it would all hinge on us releasing Manning and maybe picking up a S and CB through FA.

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                  Originally posted by swifty1812 View Post
                  1st 1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford 6'4" 235
                  2nd 34 Nick Toon WR Wisconsin 6'2" 220
                  3rd 65 Josh Chapman DT Alabama 6'1" 310
                  4th 98 Shaun Prater CB Iowa 5'10" 185
                  5th 130 Ryan Miller OG Colorado 6'8" 298
                  6th 161 Jake Baquette DE Arkansas 6'5" 271
                  7th 194 BJ Cunningham WR Michigan St. 6'2" 223

                  this would be my idea of a solid draft, but it would all hinge on us releasing Manning and maybe picking up a S and CB through FA.
                  Mind would be

                  1) Luck
                  2) Dontraie Poe DT Memphis 6'5 350 lbs
                  3) Chris Givens WR/KR Wake Forest
                  4) Josh Robinson CB CF

                  I don't think the colts take a DT that earlier but I hope they do.

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                    Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                    Mind would be

                    1) Luck
                    2) Dontraie Poe DT Memphis 6'5 350 lbs
                    3) Chris Givens WR/KR Wake Forest
                    4) Josh Robinson CB CF

                    I don't think the colts take a DT that earlier but I hope they do.
                    I love Poe, but I have a feeling a 3-4 team is going to grab him in the mid to late 1st. The reason i went WR in round 2 was the fact I bet we lose either Garcon/Wayne or both, and we will need some depth. Since the only WR on the roster we will have will be Austin Collie and Blair white.

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                      Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                      Originally posted by swifty1812 View Post
                      I love Poe, but I have a feeling a 3-4 team is going to grab him in the mid to late 1st. The reason i went WR in round 2 was the fact I bet we lose either Garcon/Wayne or both, and we will need some depth. Since the only WR on the roster we will have will be Austin Collie and Blair white.
                      I have a feeling that Wayne will walk and Garcon will be kept if however its the reverse then I think we go with a Arkansas WR to stretch the field in the 3rd or 4th round.

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                        Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                        I think the Colts need to change the defensive scheme and then look OL and defense in the draft and FA. ...After the 1st pick of course. Then let the QB 'make' the receivers by being accurate and with touch putting the ball where and how they need it. We can't get too much tied up in the offensive side of the ball or our offense won't be on the field to use any of the talent while the other team runs it down our throat and eats up the clock.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                          Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                          Yeah its so early, I think it is much easier to talk about the NBA draft than NFL just because of the massive size difference of the two.

                          But as far as need I think it will be:

                          1st Luck
                          2nd CB, WR, TE
                          3nd S, WR, DL
                          4th OL, DL
                          5th CB, WR, S

                          I think the rest of the draft is really best play available, but since we have a early 5th I think we will still target players in those areas.

                          The TE with the 2nd rd pick would be Cody Fleener by the way, I think Dwayne would be gone by then, and with Dallas getting up there in age and down there in ability, and Tamme's so so production, it would be good to bring in a reliable check-down for Luck, who used his TE's a bunch. With Fleener you have the relationship already built.
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                            Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                            Originally posted by Really? View Post
                            Yeah its so early, I think it is much easier to talk about the NBA draft than NFL just because of the massive size difference of the two.

                            But as far as need I think it will be:

                            1st Luck
                            2nd CB, WR, TE
                            3nd S, WR, DL
                            4th OL, DL
                            5th CB, WR, S

                            I think the rest of the draft is really best play available, but since we have a early 5th I think we will still target players in those areas.

                            The TE with the 2nd rd pick would be Cody Fleener by the way, I think Dwayne would be gone by then, and with Dallas getting up there in age and down there in ability, and Tamme's so so production, it would be good to bring in a reliable check-down for Luck, who used his TE's a bunch. With Fleener you have the relationship already built.
                            You don't like brody huh? Personally I think te is the last position they try to fill but if they letmanning go I see your logic.

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                              Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              You don't like brody huh? Personally I think te is the last position they try to fill but if they letmanning go I see your logic.
                              Brody is a Blocking TE, the Colts need a TE that can give mixmatches in the passing game as well as stretch the field at times.

                              I do not think it is one of their biggest areas right now, but if Dwayne Allen falls to the 2nd I think it should be a no brainer, he can do all the above as well as block, he is probably one of the best blocking TE's I have seen in college. With how Luck likes to use the run as well as our tackle blocking issues he would be a excellent addition to this team.

                              I think the wideout class is pretty deep so we should be able to get one of those in most rounds. I do not think we will really worry about the LB group much, I think we could go after DE but not sure how early we will do that. I think that we have a lot of young CBs that showed some promise with the new system, and with a new DC we could see them blossom. Safety is a area of concern but we will have Bulliet back and they seem to like Caldwell.

                              Doubt we will touch the RB position. The only other real concern for us would be securing the line, which actually had a lot of good games last year, but got plagued with injuries, but most still are not starters.
                              Why so SERIOUS

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