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    Our team is not about excuses so instead of lamenting the fact that we were shorthanded we will just congratulate the 76ers on a very well played game. They have a very nice team and we parallel each other in many ways. They have a very strong bench and have shooters that can make you pay for backing off of them. They are physical on defense and have a couple of very athletic players who can use either length (Young) or strength (Iguodala) to make you very uncomfortable.

    So hats off to them, they won fair and square. Do I think that it might have been different with our other players? Yes, but that does not imply that I think we would have cake walked to a win. They are a good young team.

    However having said all of that Iím not worried about tonightís loss other than the fact that it goes in the ďLĒ column. This upcoming week is going to be a test to say the least but letís be honest with ourselves here, we need to know if this team is really about being one of the best in the east or if we are just going to at the top tier of the lower end.

    Now I pray to God that Tylerís eye is ok and that he can go vs. the Hawks. If he misses then our entire teamís chemistry and physical play changes. If both he and Hill are out then I think that this is going to be one painful week.

    Letís do the good the bad and the ugly tonight.

    The Good:

    Team effort: I was proud that we battled hard all night long, not only were we missing players but the players who we were counting on to pick up the pace struggled (in a couple of cases that is putting it mildly). But overall I think the teamís energy was right where you wanted it to be, I think everybody left everything on the floor but at the end of the day we are still suffering from an amazing lack of ability to hit open shots.

    Roy Hibbert: Spencer Hawes has done a magnificent job of resurrecting his career in Philadelphia. He has become one of the good young centers in the NBA and I think the 76ers should be happy to have him. However he couldnít guard Roy and if anybody would have been able to get the ball to Roy (or better yet hit an open shot to take the double team option away) he would have had a monster night. But between his ankle, fatigue and our guards amazing ability to not get a good entry pass he just outplayed Hawes. Again, that sound you hear in the background is the cash register ringing with David Faulk pushing the buttons.

    Tyler Hansbrough: When he was on the court he was very effective and was really on his way to fouling out the front line of the 76ers. However a scratched eye took him out of the game so he didnít have the stat line that he could have. Am I the only one who panics whenever Tyler gets a hit to the head? I just do NOT want anything to affect his balance or make him miss games. He is FAR too important to our club this season for him to miss any extended time.

    Dahntay Jones: Ok I know this isnít going to be popular because yes there were a couple of times that the offense stalled when he was in the game. But overall I thought he did a very admirable job of filling in for Danny and he certainly had one of the most spectacular blocks of the season when he jammed Hawes right at the rim. He shot 50% from the floor so in a way he was an improvement over Granger from that aspect anyway. Yes he has his warts but I think he did exactly what you would want the backup to do when they have to step into a starting role.

    David West: He tried to keep us going. He is having a very rough time getting his shot to fall (like everyone else on our team) and Iím beginning to wonder if he isnít further out of shape than what we originally thought. But overall he played a smart game and his rebounding was solid. I probably would put him in the decent category other than good but weíll go with this for now.

    The Bad:

    Lance Stephenson: He would have to improve his game from tonight to be bad, in fact he was abysmal. He had a good steal and a nice break away, but other than that? If it were possible to assign someone to the D-League mid game I would have been all for it. I donít get it to be honest with you. Other than a decent ability to handle the ball and make some very good passes I havenít seen really a lot of reasons why we are force feeding this guy min. and Iím not a Lance hater at all. But he canít shoot, is a horrid defender and is sometime careless with the basketball but other than that I guess he must be a heck of a player.

    Darren Collison: This was just not Darrenís night. Heís been very good for most of the season but he couldnít make a clean pass in the post to save his soul tonight and obviously shooting was not on the menu either. Iíll give him a pass because for the most part this season he has been very good. But even his defense took a step backwards tonight.

    Paul George: SNL cast members are (or were Iím not sure if they still do or not) called not ready for prime time players. Well, um yea. Donít let the decent stat line fool you, this was not a good game by the young talented player at all. Lots of sloppy dribbling, a few head down drive to the lane and charge over the defender when other options were available and once again like everyone else just some very poor shooting. Now he did do a good job on the glass so I want to credit him with that. Heíll do better next time.

    The Ugly:

    A.J. Price: Ok his overall game was not ugly, it was in fact bad, but Iím sorry two boneheaded plays in the 4th quarter were just too much for me. I donít know which was worse his pull up jumper that he missed only to eventually get the ball back and take and miss the exact same shot again with almost no time off of the clock and not looking for anything else or his brilliant pass behind Collison that blew a four on one fast break. Now mind you both of these plays occurred when the game still mattered and in could have been a chance for us to get some momentum, not saying it would have, but this didnít help. Itís early in the season for him and I still would prefer him on the floor to Lance but sorry this just wasnít his best game, not by a long shot. To his credit though he did do a better job on defense than Collison did.

    Ok, tough loss but not something we can dwell on and certainly not something that any of us should be making any kind of grand statements about one way or the other.

    We all need to get together tomorrow and pass around El Paceroís drum and beat on it for awhile and do a healing dance for Tylerís eye and Georgeís back. While were at it we should all chip in some money to get Danny a bottle of Maalox.


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    You are not alone. Every time Tyler gets hit in the head or goes to the ground I worry about his concussion/vertigo problem from his rookie season. Hopefully it's a thing of the past and not a concern, but I still worry.
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    Lance looks bad, but it looks like he's trying to stay within the offense to his detriment.

    His biggest talent is scoring, so it'd be nice to see him be very aggressive.

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    Another reason to hope that Tyler is okay is Fluffy. I think Roy is getting off the ground better than he is. No Tyler really gives us front court problems that will lead to either a lot of small ball or just no scoring, probably both. George looked like he consciously decided that he was going to be "the guy" this game. Unfortunately, he didn't recognize that that player should have been Roy.

    Great writeup, Peck. With the over-reactionary nature of the post game threads, I wonder if skipping them altogether and beginning to discuss the game in depth in your threads makes more sense.

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    but I’m sorry two boneheaded plays in the 4th quarter were just too much for me. I don’t know which was worse his pull up jumper that he missed only to eventually get the ball back and take and miss the exact same shot again with almost no time off of the clock and not looking for anything else
    This infuriated me from Price, glad I wasn't the only one. Hibbert was clearly on a roll and instead of giving him the ball when Philly couldn't stop him, Price acts like he's Kobe only to miss two straight off-balance tough running shots. Sheesh. Act like the backup PG, not the team's go-to guy.

    The Bad:

    Lance Stephenson: He would have to improve his game from tonight to be bad, in fact he was abysmal. He had a good steal and a nice break away, but other than that? If it were possible to assign someone to the D-League mid game I would have been all for it. I don’t get it to be honest with you. Other than a decent ability to handle the ball and make some very good passes I haven’t seen really a lot of reasons why we are force feeding this guy min. and I’m not a Lance hater at all. But he can’t shoot, is a horrid defender and is sometime careless with the basketball but other than that I guess he must be a heck of a player.
    Honestly, the same thought about sending Stephenson to the D-League crossed my mind mid-game as well. In 4 minutes of action, he missed a layup, (then following) let his defender blow by him in transition for a layup, slipped with the ball and had to call a timeout, and badly missed a three point attempt. I'm all for keeping this guy on the roster because of his supposed "upside" and talent as the 13 or 14th man, but by no means, should we be force feeding him minutes just because he COULD be good one day. Our second unit is good enough where he should be buried in the rotation if George Hill is healthy.

    The game looks like it's moving at 1,000 MPH for Lance, and at this point, maybe he could use a stint in the D-League. He has to slow things down a bit. While this can happen for young players getting their feet wet, see Tyler Hansbrough. I'm not sure we can afford to give him the kind of minutes he needs to slow the game down for him without it causing a train wreck and severely diminishing our chances of winning on a game by game basis. I'm not sure this 5-10 minutes per game is going to get the job done.
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    Can't get upset at PG for not being aggressive and then say he shot too much. PG took all good shots they just didn't drop. I loved what he did, and normally he hits all those shots. Last year he didn't miss hardly a jump shot inside of 20 feet. He was taking good shots. They just didn't drop.

    Also, one of those charges had was clearly a blown call, while the other charge he was called for was once again a flop that just didn't go his way.

    Not saying he has a lot to improve upon. He does. And he didn't play good at all tonight. But he was definitely making the right decisions.

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    Can't get upset at PG for not being aggressive and then say he shot too much. PG took all good shots they just didn't drop. I loved what he did, and normally he hits all those shots. Last year he didn't miss hardly a jump shot inside of 20 feet. He was taking good shots. They just didn't drop.

    Also, one of those charges had was clearly a blown call, while the other charge he was called for was once again a flop that just didn't go his way.

    Not saying he has a lot to improve upon. He does. And he didn't play good at all tonight. But he was definitely making the right decisions.
    I don't think he was horrible, and I expect games like this (and worse) out of him. He's still so young and raw yet. However - they weren't all good shots. A couple were 3's early in the shot clock and I distinctly remember him hoisting a 3 immediately after an offensive rebound when it would have been smarter to run it through the post.

    One charge was questionable, but this is a not a new thing for PG - he seems to get at least one of those "put your head down and bowl your defender over" offensive fouls per game. I expect he'll work himself out of it, just as Roy learned not to foul himself off the court in 10 minutes time.

    But I think it may take the full year for PG to make his next big leap, which I imagine will be disappointing for many people.
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    This infuriated me from Price, glad I wasn't the only one. Hibbert was clearly on a roll and instead of giving him the ball when Philly couldn't stop him, Price acts like he's Kobe only to miss two straight off-balance tough shots. Sheesh.
    *sigh* after this, I'm completely done arguing this stuff. But it just bugs me because it's inaccurate.

    Hibbert was not on a role. Hibbert had just entered the game. (Literally) Price was playing the shooting guard position. He had two wide open mid-range shots. Why is it bad that your shooting guard took two open mid-range shots?

    Sure, it sucks that he missed. It sucks that he went 1-7. But I don't understand the criticism of your shooting guard taking two uncontested shots, when at that point, no one was scoring well. Should he have slowed down, and not leaned forward. And squared up and shot the ball. Absolutely. Should he have not taken them? I had no problem with the shots. He had gotten the ball back in a position to score. It was a good shot, he just made them harder than they needed to be. (Also a pattern with this team.)


    If you want to criticize a play of his. I'd go with the behind Darren Collison indecisive pass. That was bad. He contributed to the Pacers stupid turnovers and stupid decisions. Which is unlike him. But he wasn't the only one who made a stupid pass tonight. So singling him out for that is also unfair. And the only reason why he had the opportunity to make that bad play, was because he stole the ball in the first place. Which I guess can be my problem. AJ wasn't the only player with a bad turnover. Our team had like five in a row in the first half. And yet for some reason, AJ, has to not make a mistake, or pretty close to it, to not be singled out as being terrible. He did some dumb crap. But he was certainly not alone.

    So yea, he had a few ugly possessions. But he once again looked the best at running the offense. And he played very good defense. And he created a lot of extra possessions with said defense. (He had quite a few deflections to go with the two steals.) The only Pacer with a positive +/-. But we're going to define his game off of two missed shots and a turnover on the break, a break he created with his steal? (Which by the way, Paul George had done the exact same thing earlier in the game, only instead of turning it over by passing, he dribbled into trouble.)

    There wasn't a Pacer other than Roy (and maybe Dahntay) who had a good game. Our shooting was ugly, the turnovers were ugly. Price's plays...more like a long line of plays that reinforced the fact that tonight was just not going to be our night. (like PG's dunk..)

    on Tyler: I swear I saw blood from his nose too. The eye..does he wear contacts? If so, THAT could be a problem for a bit. He'll probably be able to see out of it by Wednesday, I'd guess he'll have to wear protective goggles, but can play. Unless it's really bad. Just going from my experiences with eye scratches. I feel for Tyler though, eye injuries suck..just really suck. Like...one of the most irritating things I've seen.
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    Count me in the group that worries about Hansbrough and getting hit in the head after his previous issues. He went from beasting in game 1 vs Bulls last playoffs to missing everything he threw up the rest of the series after taking that KO blow from Kurt Thomas elbow.

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    The first shot wasn't bad, the second was definitely bad. The Pacers are having a problem recognizing their roles. Which means even though AJ was in at two guard at that time, he shouldn't have taken a quick second shot. The shot was off balance because he immediately attacked the basket and his momentum of course had him off balance. But thats not even the point. Rotate the ball back out so our primary offensive players get the ball. Period. That's what teams who win do. See: The Heat, The Bulls. All those teams know to get the ball to Rose, Deng, Wade and LeBron all day long. Why isn't the same happening here?

    At that time the lineup was made up of DC, AJ, PG, West and Hibbert. West, PG and Hibbert should have been the primary offensive weapons at the moment which means AJ should have passed it back out so DC could set up the offense and we get the ball to much more potent weapons.

    I can't emphasize this more. This is one of the main reasons why the offense is struggling. There isn't much ball movement because almost everyone on the team considers themselves some sort of offensive weapon. They aren't. Pass the ball around and move it too Roy, Paul and West. Period.

    Even that three he took prior wasn't the best shot. I'm not too upset because it was an open shot, but there are only two legit three point shooters on this team. Paul and Danny. They can hit all day and should be taking shots. But DC, Juice and Inferno need to be very selective in their three point shots, which absolutely means they should pass up on them sometimes when they're open.

    Edit- and I don't care of AJ went 1-7 or if would have went 5-7. That second shot specifically was bad, and if he thinks when he is in at two guard that gives him the green light to chuck it with 20 seconds on the shot clock than that's going to lead to the Pacers not playing at their best.

    Edit number 2- The Pacers offense was easily at its best when Paul was on the wing feeding Roy into the post. It worked because not only were those the two best offensive weapons, but both are willing passers. If Paul passes to Roy in the post, he still has a great chance of getting the ball back. He stretches the court giving Roy room to work, he makes great entry passes, and when he cuts to the basket Roy is a willing enough passer to hit him as he cuts. Now if we were to put DC over in the same position feeding Hands Bro for instance, than you have a completely different situation. DC can't stretch the floor because he's not a shooter. DC doesn't make good entry passes although he has gotten much better. If Tyler receives the ball in the post he absolutely will not pass even if Roy is standing under the basket wide up with no one with in 20 feet. This is hurting our offense. Our guys need to focus once again on allowing the best offensive players to dominate the ball.

    Edit number 3- With that said, I was mostly happy about how the offense was run tonight, but I am mostly speaking in general about the entire season. Also, I feel if there is much of a focus on getting those guys the ball, then the ball movement will increase to such a point that our less talented players are going to get layups and open shots. But generally I see this, and def. saw it tonight: Mostly as we got down the court DC would pass to PG, PG would hit Roy or West and from there we got good shots. However, if the ball ever got beyond them, a secondary offensive player would generally chuck it, almost afraid it was his once chance to shoot.
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    The first shot wasn't bad, the second was definitely bad. The Pacers are having a problem recognizing their roles. Which means even though AJ was in at two guard at that time, he shouldn't have taken a quick second shot. The shot was off balance because he immediately attacked the basket and his momentum of course had him off balance. But thats not even the point. Rotate the ball back out so our primary offensive players get the ball. Period. That's what teams who win do. See: The Heat, The Bulls. All those teams know to get the ball to Rose, Deng, Wade and LeBron all day long. Why isn't the same happening here?

    At that time the lineup was made up of DC, AJ, PG, West and Hibbert. West, PG and Hibbert should have been the primary offensive weapons at the moment which means AJ should have passed it back out so DC could set up the offense and we get the ball to much more potent weapons.

    I can't emphasize this more. This is one of the main reasons why the offense is struggling. There isn't much ball movement because almost everyone on the team considers themselves some sort of offensive weapon. They aren't. Pass the ball around and move it too Roy, Paul and West. Period.

    Even that three he took prior wasn't the best shot. I'm not too upset because it was an open shot, but there are only two legit three point shooters on this team. Paul and Danny. They can hit all day and should be taking shots. But DC, Juice and Inferno need to be very selective in their three point shots, which absolutely means they should pass up on them sometimes when they're open.
    I agree with the "roles" things, especially tonight. I think the second unit had worked so well recently with Price, Hill, Jones, Hans, and Foster is that the unit had defined roles and they worked off each other. Hans and Hill were the main scoring threats. Price runs the offense, directs traffic, Jones scores in transition, and Foster does the grunge work.

    Tonight, I don't know that anyone knew what they were trying to do, or what their goals should be. That's a function of not having two really important players.

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    Paul needs to put pressure on the defense, because tonight he didn't. There's no reason for him to do his best JO impression when he has inches on someone in the post.

    That's a basketball play, and we've been a little short on those so far.

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    Rotate the ball back out so our primary offensive players get the ball. Period. That's what teams who win do. See: The Heat, The Bulls. All those teams know to get the ball to Rose, Deng, Wade and LeBron all day long. Why isn't the same happening here?
    You want to know why it doesn't work like that on this team? Because we have no one like those players. We have no one that you can consistently give the ball to and expect them to score. The closest thing we have to a consistent threat on offense is the kick out to George for a 3. We have no shooters and our scorers aren't very good scorers. He took a bad shot that wouldn't even rank on agranger's top 5 bad shots from any given game the past two seasons.

    Let me say something about the turnover. Bad play yeah of course, but you don't see people get crucified when they give up easy offensives rebounds which are far worse. Then there was the time a couple games ago when Granger stole a ball but was about to fall out of bounds. Instead of falling out of bounds or throwing it to the other end he threw it straight to the other team for an easy basket. Yet he didn't get half the flake Price is getting for doing something far worse.

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    ive been very impressed with george this season, hes one of those guys that when he shoots looks like its goin in everytime. just work on ur ball control and hes gonna be a star

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    I posted this in gamethread, and I want to share my thoughts here...

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    It seems to me personally, that there are a decent amount here who's memory may be a little hazy..


    Paul George , is every bit AS GOOD as Reggie Miller was at the same juncture of their careers..


    Reggie was just as raw , and by the end of his second year, he was avg 16ppg . Then his transition into his 3rd year he grew into an all star talent.
    I really believe that Paul George CAN be a franchise level player, heck we are seeing it develop in front of our eyes.

    Pretty nice to imagine Hibbert and George BOTH realizing their potential..

    And in INDIANA of all places .... Lady Luck has been good to us .

    And to think, I haven't even mentioned Hansbrough, who has a very good shot at making an all star game if he keeps up his level of play and improves upon it..
    I even think he would make the all-defensive team... probably BEFORE he makes an all star appearance as a reserve..

    I mean seriously... What coach wouldn't want an opportunity to coach Tyler for a game? lol (besides Mario Van Jermey .. heh)


    NOBODY wants to play against Hansbrough..... NOBODY !! .... argh! ....




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    You want to know why it doesn't work like that on this team? Because we have no one like those players. We have no one that you can consistently give the ball to and expect them to score. The closest thing we have to a consistent threat on offense is the kick out to George for a 3. We have no shooters and our scorers aren't very good scorers. He took a bad shot that wouldn't even rank on agranger's top 5 bad shots from any given game the past two seasons.

    Let me say something about the turnover. Bad play yeah of course, but you don't see people get crucified when they give up easy offensives rebounds which are far worse. Then there was the time a couple games ago when Granger stole a ball but was about to fall out of bounds. Instead of falling out of bounds or throwing it to the other end he threw it straight to the other team for an easy basket. Yet he didn't get half the flake Price is getting for doing something far worse.
    We have 3 starters who have far superior offensive talent than everyone other player on this team. They should get the ball thrown through them almost every trip down the court. This will create offense for everyone. The nice thing is with both Roy and Paul, both are very unselfish players so when you run the offense through them they will consistently hit teammates for open shots.

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    I'm amazed no one speaks about Roy's game (or hardly)

    He showed us he is more then a level above last year, he ate the Philly frontline like lite toast

    how,many fouls they commit on him? lots i am sure, just like the previous game, double teams on him when fighting for position seems to become the norm as well.

    but indeed Peck, kaaching!

    But I's still happy we have him!
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    Yeah, Roy continues to improve year by year and looks like he has taken a major step this season. He was scoring at will on Philly. I love having him. The only thing I'm worried about is keeping him. I wish we could lock him up for an extension before he's a FA in 2013 because he will get some massive offers if he tests the waters. By the time he's a FA, he could be averaging something like 18/10.
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    And to think, I haven't even mentioned Hansbrough, who has a very good shot at making an all star game if he keeps up his level of play and improves upon it..
    I even think he would make the all-defensive team... probably BEFORE he makes an all star appearance as a reserve..
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    I really wish we would send Lance to the D-League. Getting regular playing time will only help him. I think at this point, he knows not to get into trouble. Now it's about him getting better on the court.
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    I don't think people talk much about Roy, because it's expected. I think that's what everyone realistically pictured Roy as, a guy who could go out and get you 14-20pts on any given night with 50+% shooting and 8-9 rebounds. It should be talked about more, because that's not what Roy has been in the past.

    It's really gonna be nice when Roy's big games are in the form of 25pts 15rebs. Surely he'll have a few of those this year.



    AJ is confusing. Put him at the 1, and he plays the spot pretty darn well. Put him at the 2, and he thinks he needs to shoot way more often than he should. I understand being a little more offensive minded, but he goes from zero to sixty without anything inbetween.

    For as good as he is about keeping the ball moving while playing PG, he can sure stop it when he's playing sg.

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    I'm telling you guys, someone placed a curse on our SF spot this year. Does anyone know how to break a curse?
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    And to think, I haven't even mentioned Hansbrough, who has a very good shot at making an all star game if he keeps up his level of play and improves upon it..
    I even think he would make the all-defensive team... probably BEFORE he makes an all star appearance as a reserve..

    You cant be serious

    I dont know what is crazier him being an all star or him being an All defensive teamer. Tyler plays no where near all defense. I would be happy would just average defense from him.

    and an all star come on now that is just crazy talk

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    Roy has been our most consistent player. He started off this way last year too and faded rather quickly. The key for Hibbert is to keep that consistency.

    You also see that when we move the ball good things happen. Also, when we feed the post to Hibbert, good things tend too happen. All to often, we stop moving the ball and stop feeding Hibbert, and go 1 on 1 or ISOs, bad things happen.

    I think we've found our offensive identity, we just need to focus on that and execute.
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    For me, the dumbest play of the night came from Price when he threw the ball to DC on that 4-1 breakaway. He had 2 bigger guys trailing...why don't you throw the ball to them instead of a shorter DC who had a bad angle.

    Seriously started to rip my hair out on that.

    Still, I think AJ should get more minutes over Lance. I hope Bird sees that Lance is behaving and just needs more court time and is willing to send him to the DLeague to develop. C'mon Bird, Lance can't get better playing 8 minutes a game.
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