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NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

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  • NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday...-danny-granger

    Danny Granger’s Offensive Evolution

    The general NBA fandom has caught onto the fact that the Indiana Pacers are, in fact, a pretty decent team. But it wasn’t always that way. For the last handful of seasons, Indiana has been buried in that odd purgatory where they either just made the playoffs (with zero chance of winning a series) or just missed them (with zero chance of winning the lottery), and that’s a hard place to be for an NBA team.

    Just ask Danny Granger, who has been looked upon as the team’s primary scorer every year since Jermaine O’Neal left Indianapolis in 2008. He’s always scored well, but not necessarily efficiently, often forcing up bad shots because he felt like he had to in order to give his team a reasonable chance to win every night.

    Not anymore.

    “I haven’t shot the ball particularly well, but it hasn’t caused us to lose games,” Granger, who has shot a brutal 17-for-68 (25%) over his last five games, told HOOPSWORLD. “That’s awesome because in the past, that would’ve definitely lost us the game. Thankfully this year that’s not the case.”

    Actually, the entire team has had its fair share of offensive woes early this season, but despite everything they’re still 6-2, good enough for the third-best winning percentage in the Eastern Conference. Granger knows his teammates’ roles in the strong start.

    “We’re shooting something like 38% as a team, so it’s good to have that extra offensive support that we haven’t had in past seasons. I was always the one that had to score, but this year I score when I’m needed to.”

    With seven different players currently averaging double figures for Indiana, it’s clear that this is a very different Pacers team from a year ago.

    Part of that change has been on the defensive end, which Pacers coach Frank Vogel has noticed, particularly in his starting small forward.

    “He’s defending,” Vogel said regarding Granger. “He’s brought his defense at a really high level all season, all seven games that we’ve played. He’s a huge reason we’re defending so well as a team.”

    Granger admitted his extra tenacity on that end has everything to do with the energy he saves not dominating the ball on offense every possession.

    “My defense has been really great because I know I don’t have to score 25 points a game,” Granger said. “I get to focus more on the defensive end. I’m honestly having one of the best defensive years I’ve ever had so far.”

    With Granger shooting so poorly, and David West still finding his way with the new team and his surgically-repaired knee, it’s a small miracle that Indiana is playing this well early on. Granger, though, doesn’t want anyone to think that he’s going to back off on offense.

    “My aggressiveness is still there,” he admitted. “We just have more scoring threats, and that’s a blessing.”

    It will really seem like a blessing when the team gets firing on all cylinders. Outside of Miami and Chicago, this might be the best team in the Eastern Conference. Granger’s role might be changing drastically, but that’s a good thing when the team does nothing but get better.

    Four seasons ago, Granger believed the team went as he did. Now, the team goes as the team goes, and that’s a good thing for the new Indiana Pacers.
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

    I just don't understand why its so difficult to play on both ends of the floor.

    Tyler does it with no problem. What does "focusing" on only one have to do with the other?

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      Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
      I just don't understand why its so difficult to play on both ends of the floor.

      Tyler does it with no problem. What does "focusing" on only one have to do with the other?
      "You see coach, I just got done blocking the ball on the other end, so I had to pass up that open three.....i mean, do you want my arms to fall off?"

      yeah, i don't get it either.
      Last edited by The Sleeze; 01-08-2012, 02:59 PM.
      I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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        Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

        Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
        I just don't understand why its so difficult to play on both ends of the floor.

        Tyler does it with no problem. What does "focusing" on only one have to do with the other?
        You're kidding right? Tyler is one of the worst defenders on the team.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #5
          Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
          You're kidding right? Tyler is one of the worst defenders on the team.
          Well, he's no Gordon Hayward, thats for sure.

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            Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

            I see it as if you aren't a good defender then you don't care enough about defense. It's not that hard to defend the average nba player (if you are an nba player yourself) keep your eye on the ball. don't pay attention to shoulder and leg movements and make sure you maintain a center of gravity and balance. This is prob harder then said for the fact that most players travel and carry the ball every other play. To me defense should be easier then offense unless you are going against an all-star player. Lets just hope his poor shooting is just from the long lay off and not from "focusing on defense"
            I'm a Beast

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            • #7
              Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

              He is a new player alright ....
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                Originally posted by PaulGeorge View Post
                I see it as if you aren't a good defender then you don't care enough about defense. It's not that hard to defend the average nba player (if you are an nba player yourself) keep your eye on the ball. don't pay attention to shoulder and leg movements and make sure you maintain a center of gravity and balance. This is prob harder then said for the fact that most players travel and carry the ball every other play. To me defense should be easier then offense unless you are going against an all-star player. Lets just hope his poor shooting is just from the long lay off and not from "focusing on defense"
                Yeah anyone can guard Lebron and company, sheesh.

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                  Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                  He just can't hit his shot, nothing to do with defense 10 minutes into the game. Heck, I think he has actually hit more shots later in the game when he would be more tired. He just diverting his poor shooting slump. Typical
                  Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                    Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                    Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                    Yeah anyone can guard Lebron and company, sheesh.
                    Guess you read only what you want to see.

                    I obviously stated the AVERAGE nba player. meaning someone on a team like charlotte. Then I stated that guarding and all-star is a different story. Lebron is the best in the league and has been an all-star every year. And if you haven't noticed we have only played Miami once and will not play them every game..... sheeesh
                    I'm a Beast

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                      Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                      Well, he's no Gordon Hayward, thats for sure.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                        Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                        I just don't understand why its so difficult to play on both ends of the floor.

                        Tyler does it with no problem. What does "focusing" on only one have to do with the other?
                        Tyler has never and will never carry the kind of offensive load for us that Danny has in the past.

                        Players have limited energy. Even the best players lose some muster defensively when they have to carry the team in scoring, so why wouldn't it happen with Danny?
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                          Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                          Maybe it's just me, but I do feel like Danny is playing really hard on the defensive end because he's not as tired as he was in the past couple years from being the primary offensive threat.

                          No disrespect to anyone who hasn't played ball, but going all out on either end of the floor can wear you down pretty quickly. Remember his first year when a lot of the people on this board were dubbing him "Scottie Pippen-lite"? That first year he didn't have to carry the offensive load so he was able to exert more energy defensively.

                          Additionally, being that he's a wing player, he's often chasing around guys, fighting through screens, etc. In Tyler's case, or any power forward really, it's more of a post-defense type of situation. I don't think that's a really fair comparison.

                          Either way, the team is playing great! Go Pacers!

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                            Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                            We are more balanced than we have been in about 10+ years. It is great that Danny does not feel the pressure to score close to 25 points a game to even give us a chance to win. His shot should start falling and I see him averaging around 17 to 18 ppg when it is all said and done.

                            I have seen people on here complain for years about how Daany stopped focusing on defense. It sounds like he was felt like he was expected to score more and focused on his offense and less on his defense. Let's not complain about this right now. If we start losing a bunch of games then we can start complaining.

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                              Re: NBA Sunday: The New Danny Granger

                              I actually just got done re-watching the game on DVR from last night & the TV actually picked up more of Danny's defense in the game than I did at the fieldhouse. I was amazed at how active he was.

                              Actually while I'm saying this I want to say that I also picked up on A.J. Price being far more active on defense than I saw at the game as well.

                              Honestly there was a period there in the third when Hill, Price & Jones were in and our perimater defense was a buzz saw.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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