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    I wonder what O'Brien is doing nowadays... wonder if he is watching this team now and wondering what he did wrong.
    I doubt he thinks he did ANYTHING wrong. It was everyone else.

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    I'm not surprised at what Tyler thinks of Jim. I'm surprised he'd say it. I'm actually surprised Roy takes it this far. (And Tyler's made some comments about O'brien recently too.)

    A lot of guys on our team are three/four year players. They know how to play basketball. They know Jim O'brien was doing it wrong. But part of being at a big time university is the "political correctness" that comes with talking to the media. You can be honest, but usually guys like that don't criticize the head coach, no matter how bad it is.
    That's true, but this just emphasizes how bad it really was.

    Jim exceeded a certain threshold with his decisions that begged for a response. Both on the floor with his decisions and off the floor with his statements. Borderline insanity that was enough to make a saint curse. Enough to make Tyler and Roy...both good guys...get a bit nasty....and rightfully so.

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    Which legitimately stuns me. I'd never heard a word come out of Tyler's mouth that didn't come from the encyclopedia of athlete cliches...until asked about JOB.
    I'm not surprised. Bird almost had to force O'Brien to play Tyler in the first place. So then JoB would play Tyler, and not even dress Josh so that his "precious" stretch 4 Posey could still play.

    On the flipside, Tyler is probably is literally ready to go run through a brick wall for Frank.
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    So you guys ever going to get around to talking about the present and/or future? Figure you would get tired of having the same conversation over and over. I would just let you have your thread but most threads are still derailed by whatever this is. Noone cares what you think about JOB except other people that haven't figured out how to move on.
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    We've bashed JOB enough. We have not bashed Bird enough for keeping him around.
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    We've bashed JOB enough. We have not bashed Bird enough for keeping him around.
    Bird has been awesome. You can't look at the before and after and not respect the results. I have been very impressed and have a lot of faith in Bird. Your complaint just isn't worth arguing about. Just for a reminder this is the before picture.


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    We've bashed JOB enough. We have not bashed Bird enough for keeping him around.
    Well, since the thread title holds no bearing here..... I will just say that I think that Bird waited until the right moment to let Jim go. I never hated Jim as much as most people did. It was almost to the point where I spent more time defending him like I actually was a advocate for his coaching style. He was never as bad as we, Pacer's fans, made him out to be. Our team sucked, and his style helped mask that during his first two years especially. What happened last year was our team became more talented, and JOB never adjusted to his personel. If the reigns had been turned over to Vogel sooner, his effect on the team might not had been as great. So, in my opinion, the timing was perfect considering the losing streaks and building resentment towards O'brien.

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    Yes, Jim's abrasive style was a good bit of it. But that wasn't the only issue. The other issue of equal importance was his insistence on forcing players to shoot 3's. If that's what you mean by team philosophy, I agree.
    If I had to bet, I'd bet that Roy disliked Jim's public and continual bashing of players more than the fact that the guards and forwards shot a lot of threes.

    Remember about this time last year, when Roy had a monster couple of months, and Jim went out of his way to say publicly that Roy wasn't playing very well? And how Roy's play fell off after that?
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    Well, since the thread title holds no bearing here..... I will just say that I think that Bird waited until the right moment to let Jim go. I never hated Jim as much as most people did. It was almost to the point where I spent more time defending him like I actually was a advocate for his coaching style. He was never as bad as we, Pacer's fans, made him out to be. Our team sucked, and his style helped mask that during his first two years especially. What happened last year was our team became more talented, and JOB never adjusted to his personel. If the reigns had been turned over to Vogel sooner, his effect on the team might not had been as great. So, in my opinion, the timing was perfect considering the losing streaks and building resentment towards O'brien.

    adding to not aurguing:
    Bird really took a chance on Vogal, given his experience. I think people overlook that Job was a lame duck either way. JOB was hired to coach a crappy team and keep them from embarrassing the community while Bird basically rebuilt the team from scratch.(he wanted someone to crack the wip since Carlisle was kinda getting walked over).

    Once we were ready to take the next step we were getting a new coach either way. I am glad Vogel got his shot, but believe firing the whole coaching staff to bring on new temps mid season would have only disrupted the team. I believe bird wanted to wait until the offseason to conduct a coaching search, which he ultimately did.


    Something on topic: Its pretty sweet that Roy makes it a point to interact with fans like this. I am glad his game seems to be coming around, because the attitude and personality have always been stellar.
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    We've bashed JOB enough. We have not bashed Bird enough for keeping him around.
    Fair point... I definitely think Bird kept Obie around for too long. If the players are so openly critical now, you'd think they'd have been complaining loudly to Bird in private. Yet Bird chose to keep Obie for at least a year too long.

    Is Bird a genius for choosing Vogel as the replacement? I'm not sure I buy that either. Vogel more or less got the job by default really, both after Obie got fired and during the offseason when Bird couldn't get higher profile coaches like Sloan and Adelman. Of course Vogel and the Pacers have performed well since then, which makes the boss look good.

    I do give credit to Bird for building a talented, balanced roster with a nice mix of veterans and youth. The roster is a rebuilding masterpiece IMO, about as good as you can expect without high lottery picks to nab a superstar or 2.

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