Jim exceeded a certain threshold with his decisions that begged for a response. Both on the floor with his decisions and off the floor with his statements. Borderline insanity that was enough to make a saint curse. Enough to make Tyler and Roy...both good guys...get a bit nasty....and rightfully so.
I'm not surprised. Bird almost had to force O'Brien to play Tyler in the first place. So then JoB would play Tyler, and not even dress Josh so that his "precious" stretch 4 Posey could still play.
On the flipside, Tyler is probably is literally ready to go run through a brick wall for Frank.
"Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel
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So you guys ever going to get around to talking about the present and/or future? Figure you would get tired of having the same conversation over and over. I would just let you have your thread but most threads are still derailed by whatever this is. Noone cares what you think about JOB except other people that haven't figured out how to move on.
Last edited by spazzxb; 01-08-2012 at 08:37 PM.
We've bashed JOB enough. We have not bashed Bird enough for keeping him around.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."
If I had to bet, I'd bet that Roy disliked Jim's public and continual bashing of players more than the fact that the guards and forwards shot a lot of threes.
Remember about this time last year, when Roy had a monster couple of months, and Jim went out of his way to say publicly that Roy wasn't playing very well? And how Roy's play fell off after that?
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adding to not aurguing:Bird really took a chance on Vogal, given his experience. I think people overlook that Job was a lame duck either way. JOB was hired to coach a crappy team and keep them from embarrassing the community while Bird basically rebuilt the team from scratch.(he wanted someone to crack the wip since Carlisle was kinda getting walked over).
Once we were ready to take the next step we were getting a new coach either way. I am glad Vogel got his shot, but believe firing the whole coaching staff to bring on new temps mid season would have only disrupted the team. I believe bird wanted to wait until the offseason to conduct a coaching search, which he ultimately did.
Something on topic: Its pretty sweet that Roy makes it a point to interact with fans like this. I am glad his game seems to be coming around, because the attitude and personality have always been stellar.
Last edited by spazzxb; 01-08-2012 at 10:18 PM.
Is Bird a genius for choosing Vogel as the replacement? I'm not sure I buy that either. Vogel more or less got the job by default really, both after Obie got fired and during the offseason when Bird couldn't get higher profile coaches like Sloan and Adelman. Of course Vogel and the Pacers have performed well since then, which makes the boss look good.
I do give credit to Bird for building a talented, balanced roster with a nice mix of veterans and youth. The roster is a rebuilding masterpiece IMO, about as good as you can expect without high lottery picks to nab a superstar or 2.