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    Also, for all the loud barking KG does, gotta give Hans credit on something, he sent KG a HARD shoulder shiver during one timeout late in the third quarter or early in the 4th. KG had just gotten done barking about something and Hans seemed to walk right into him on purpose, it staggered KG for a moment and you could tell there was a moment where KG was deciding whether he wanted to react.

    There are a lot of things about Tyler that bother me, but I gotta give the guy credit, he doesn't take **** from anyone.
    One of my favorite moments from the game, and one of the things I love about Tyler's game. He's got a natural ability to quietly get under an opponent's skin. He's tenacious, physical and loves the contact. I can't help to think he's got to be subtly talkin some smack based on the reactions he's starting to get. It's only a matter of time before he pushes someone over the edge and they swing at him. I thought we might see that in Detroit the other night and you could tell he was getting to KG. It's got to be a boost to him when guys get all bent out of shape and he knows he's all up in their heads.

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    I am really impressed with PG's three point shooting. It has to be over 50%. But what I really see potentially from Paul is his ability to shoot shots off the screen or pick as a jump shot. Anyone remember who made a career out of that. Coach Vogel needs to develope that as a offensive option. Danny cannot do that as he does not have the hops for that.
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    At the end of the day, we played like a team, and won as a team

    Now I certainly wish a few things


    • Roy would be a bit more aggressive. As Bill Walton would say "Throw it down by fella"
    • Ray Allen can never be left wide open. Never. No excuses. NONE.
    • Lastly, Danny seemed to want to make a play a few times and over dribbled instead of making a pass
    • Which leads to part B. If he is in a slump, why keep running an iso for him. Why not a PNR where he can set a teammate up.

    At the end of the day, they won.



    Also, like Trade Joe said, I loved seeing Granger so into the game. From just reading this message board I would think he was done with NBA basketball. From my point of view he realizes he needs to snap out of this funk, and like Reggie used to do I hope he can shoot himself out of it sooner rather then later.

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    I am really impressed with PG's three point shooting. It has to be over 50%. But what I really see potentially from Paul is his ability to shoot shots off the screen or pick as a jump shot. Anyone remember who made a career out of that. Coach Vogel needs to develope that as a offensive option. Danny cannot do that as he does not have the hops for that.
    I thought the opposite. A screen is a great way to clear some daylight for a player that can't just levitate over his defender.
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    I'll give Jeff the game ball... stats dont tell the story on how he effected the game last night.

    Offensive rebounds, good defense, and most importantly IMHO good hard SMART fouls. Every time Boston looked to make a momentum turning play in Q3, Jeff was in the paint taking his man out of the play with a good hard SMART foul. I thought he really had one hell of a game.

    Props to Danny too, although I've been b*tching about him a lot lately... he showed heart and emotion last night. I have a feeling his shot is going to start falling now... don't know why really, I just get a feeling that he's gonna have a big game tonight against the Bobcats.

    Props to DC too.... best game I've seen him play in ... well, it might be the best complete game I've ever seen him play for us.

    And... Paul George.... he's got some learnin to do still... but he's gonna be nearly unguardable if he keeps improving, he's shooting 3s like a Reggie Miller/Ray Allen love child. Every one he lets fly is freakin money.

    After the disaster in Miami it's great to see the team bounce back with that performance.... welcome to the emotional roller coaster AKA Pacer Basketball.

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    I have to think Lance is being forced down Frank’s throat by upper management
    Agreed. To be fair, though, the only way Lance is going to get better is to get real minutes in actual, structured games. I tell you what, it's a damn shame we don't have a D-League team...
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    Agreed. To be fair, though, the only way Lance is going to get better is to get real minutes in actual, structured games. I tell you what, it's a damn shame we don't have a D-League team...
    I agree a D league team would do the guy wonders..

    Everybody has to remember that Lance is a 21 year old 2nd year player. It isn't like he is a wasted talent on the end of the bench. I mean the guy will have plenty of time to develop and he's approaching almost half the minutes he got the entire season last year.

    Next year Price will be let go and Lance can get a longer more structured training camp along with a good amount of preseason minutes. I am not too worried about Lance at this point.

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    He could have scored 35 and grabbed 20 boards and you still would have thought that.

    I go off of this, he is our franchise player (if anyone on the team is that I guess it's him) and we won this grind it out game by playing grind it out defense and nobody played better defense when the game was on the line than Danny so yes, I'm giving him an A-. I also am giving him credit for not taking what would have been a semi open jumper and passing it to a wide open player who hit the game winner. How he doesn't get an assist for that I will never know.
    Peck you are dreaming if you think Granger deserved a grade like that. He was horrible most of the game. Pierce got off 19 shots, good shots, he just had an off shooting night. Granger has had an off shooting season. You need to give the credit to the second unit's defense and ball movement and energy. Granger came back in the game the fourth quarter and did his home run trot up and down the floor, was late getting to people and late on rotations. He got a couple of steals off of terrible passes and now you think he was a defensive wizard. He also took a very weak shot with the clock running down that was air balled. On the pass to Collison, it was a good pass only because Granger has been shooting so poorly, Granger was wide open from 15 ft. and not contested at all. If Collison misses that shot this is an entirely different conversation. Calling Granger a franchise player is comical. There are not any on the Pacers and that is OK. You can win with alot of good players that play as a team.

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    I thought the opposite. A screen is a great way to clear some daylight for a player that can't just levitate over his defender.
    It's always great to find players who can elevate, but those that can elevate and also levitate would be pretty unstoppable! Sort of like a combo of "Bewitched" and "The White Shadow"


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    Also, for all the loud barking KG does, gotta give Hans credit on something, he sent KG a HARD shoulder shiver during one timeout late in the third quarter or early in the 4th. KG had just gotten done barking about something and Hans seemed to walk right into him on purpose, it staggered KG for a moment and you could tell there was a moment where KG was deciding whether he wanted to react.

    There are a lot of things about Tyler that bother me, but I gotta give the guy credit, he doesn't take **** from anyone.
    THIS is why Tyler is my favorite Pacer. I'm willing to accept all of his shortcomings, because he adds a toughness/swagger to this team that we haven't had since Dale Davis. Vogel said it best...nobody wants to play Tyler.


    I feel like our whole team flips a switch when Tyler steps on the floor, how could you not give more effort when you see that guy going 110% on every play?

    I also think Dahntay Jones has similar qualities...just from an attitude/demeanor stand point. I'll take these kinds of players on my team ALL DAY LONG!
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    At the end of the day, we played like a team, and won as a team

    Now I certainly wish a few things


    • Roy would be a bit more aggressive. As Bill Walton would say "Throw it down by fella"

    Dunno if the misspell was two letters or just one.

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    Also, for all the loud barking KG does, gotta give Hans credit on something, he sent KG a HARD shoulder shiver during one timeout late in the third quarter or early in the 4th. KG had just gotten done barking about something and Hans seemed to walk right into him on purpose, it staggered KG for a moment and you could tell there was a moment where KG was deciding whether he wanted to react.

    There are a lot of things about Tyler that bother me, but I gotta give the guy credit, he doesn't take **** from anyone.
    I believe it was at the end of the 3rd if any one wants to watch.

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    One of my favorite moments from the game, and one of the things I love about Tyler's game. He's got a natural ability to quietly get under an opponent's skin. He's tenacious, physical and loves the contact. I can't help to think he's got to be subtly talkin some smack based on the reactions he's starting to get. It's only a matter of time before he pushes someone over the edge and they swing at him. I thought we might see that in Detroit the other night and you could tell he was getting to KG. It's got to be a boost to him when guys get all bent out of shape and he knows he's all up in their heads.
    KG would never swing on someone who is built like Tyler. Definition of a paper tiger.

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    KG would never swing on someone who is built like Tyler. Definition of a paper tiger.
    I was paying attention to KG last night and he wasn't really talking that much trash to Tyler, KG likes to mess with people that are weak and Tyler isn't that.

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    Tyler Hansbrough: B Sorry Tyler isn’t getting anything higher until he drops his first dime of the season. Really, he can’t even accidently get an assist? I don’t have the energy to look it up but is he the player who has played the most min. on the floor this season without an assist in the entire NBA? Usually he does pretty poorly when matched up with Garnett but tonight he was able to get angles and generally abused Brandon Bass. He got to the line and made most of his free throws so that always helps. Rebounding wasn’t great but there were so many players on our team grabbing boards that it was a team effort on the glass tonight.
    At this point, yes. I'm going out on a limb and saying he gets one tonight though. The link below is the list of players with zero assists sorted by minutes played.

    Hansbrough, Joel Anthony, and Derrick Favors are the only three players over 100 minutes played without one yet.

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    KG would never swing on someone who is built like Tyler. Definition of a paper tiger.
    KG is the definition of "fake tough".
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    I was paying attention to KG last night and he wasn't really talking that much trash to Tyler, KG likes to mess with people that are weak and Tyler isn't that.
    Some things just don't work with Hansbrough.


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    KG is the definition of "fake tough".
    No doubt, he has some pretty stiff competition from Carlos Boozer.

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    When was the last time the Pacers had a team that could play 'badly' on a given night and still walk away with a win? When was the last time the Pacers didn't have to be nearly perfect to beat one of the league's supposed "elite" teams?

    I honestly wonder if the last time was in the Reggie Miller twilight years.

    What I wonder is: is this team able to do that because the talent level is better, or because the coaching is better? Or is it both? Or something else?

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    When was the last time the Pacers had a team that could play 'badly' on a given night and still walk away with a win? When was the last time the Pacers didn't have to be nearly perfect to beat one of the league's supposed "elite" teams?

    I honestly wonder if the last time was in the Reggie Miller twilight years.

    What I wonder is: is this team able to do that because the talent level is better, or because the coaching is better? Or is it both? Or something else?
    At the risk of being jumped on, it is because few other teams are playing particularly well themselves due to the short preseason.

    It's great that we have the will to tough out those games - and you're right, it has been some time since we had that kind of fortitude - but we will NOT be able to continue like this for more than another week at most before we start being passed up b y teams that have settled in.
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    When was the last time the Pacers had a team that could play 'badly' on a given night and still walk away with a win? When was the last time the Pacers didn't have to be nearly perfect to beat one of the league's supposed "elite" teams?
    The 5 game winning streak two seasons ago. We beat Boston then too, and were 5-3 at the end of the streak. Then we went 4-19.

    This reminds me a lot of that start. Our offense looked as bad then. Hopefully we'll have different results this time but the schedule will be tough.

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    At the risk of being jumped on, it is because few other teams are playing particularly well themselves due to the short preseason.

    It's great that we have the will to tough out those games - and you're right, it has been some time since we had that kind of fortitude - but we will NOT be able to continue like this for more than another week at most before we start being passed up b y teams that have settled in.
    While this is true, i'd like to point out that honestly how many other teams can boast the record that we do while having such minor contributions (offensively) from their supposed top 2 guys.

    We're tough, we rebound, we play hard, we play defense every night, these things are pretty consistent, with effort, which seems to be a constant with this team.

    Given our current messy offense i'd wager that we have more room to improve than alot of other teams that we'll be competing against all year long. David West and Hill are huge contributors and rotation players we're working in, while most other contenders for spots we want (miami, chicago, philidelphia, boston, orlando) are much more intact from last year rotation-wise than we are.

    We have nowhere to go but up. Heck if Danny was just playing average on offense, not to mention West we would be beating every single team by like 15+ points (sans miami)

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    The 5 game winning streak two seasons ago. We beat Boston then too, and were 5-3 at the end of the streak. Then we went 4-19.

    This reminds me a lot of that start. Our offense looked as bad then. Hopefully we'll have different results this time but the schedule will be tough.
    IMO it was pretty clear even then that we were playing over our heads, and we certainly weren't playing "badly" especially on offense, which our wins during that era was heavily predicated upon.

    That's whats awesome about this team now, our effort and defense should be pretty consistent, which shots aren't (evidenced by our lovely offensive performences so far this season.

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    If Kevin Garnett wasn't 6'11 and a basketball player he'd be the guy on message boards saying "Oh yeah? Well you're a ****ing ***!!! Come to my neighborhood and then we'll see who's the tough guy!" He's an Internet thug in person.

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    The 5 game winning streak two seasons ago. We beat Boston then too, and were 5-3 at the end of the streak. Then we went 4-19.
    Fortunately, Troy Murphy is not walking through that door.
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