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wow everybody has all of a sudden brought AJ back from the dead. He plays one game, we win and now all of a sudden he should be the back up pg. lol give me a break
I don't understand. How is a player (Lance) that has not made a bucket this year more naturally an SG than he is a PG? Last year, he shot .333 in 12 games, including 0-5 3ptrs. This year, he is 0-9 FGs.
Not a big sample, perhaps, but where is there any indication at all that he should be a shooting guard?
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I dont get the infatuation teams have with with playing these SG's at pg. Etwuan is a very good shooter and what not but pg??? No way he sticks there IMO. Etwuan is not a pg they are doing the same thing with Avery Bradley who is better fit for SG than pg. I dont know I just feel like these kids are getting mis used and it will hurt Etwuan in the long run."He's a second-round pick and he can play," Rivers said. "He can shoot the ball. The question was can he play the point guard position. I think he can."
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Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-07-2012 at 04:12 AM.
Last season before the FO was enlightened, JO'B had who?
Who was the difference? McBob, Dunleavy and TJ?
I'd say that Coaching is a big difference...but let's not underestimate what adding West and GH means to the lineup. The upgrade is not a championship-caliber move, but it's noticeable as to what it does to the lineup and how much it improves the rotations.
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FWIW: Point guard +/- for the Pacers-Bulls series last year:
Collison was -24 in around 150 minutes for the 5 games.
AJ Price was -15 for about 80 minutes for the 5 games.
TJ Ford was +7 in 14 minutes (dnp 3 gms).
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But come on now Hellen Keller would of saw what Price did for us last night "beyond the stats". The ball movement was a lot better in the 2nd unit. As a whole they played a lot better AJ and Foster were the main reason IMO. AJ cant shoot very well but AJ can run some semblance of an offense which is quite a feat when you are stuck playing with Djones and Hansbrough. That would frustate the **** out of me when the coach calls PnR 95% of the time you know you are gonna be left double teamed and not getting a pick because Tyler seems incapable of setting one. AJ is not good but AJ is very serviceable.
you must have 0 basketball sense if your saying Price didn't play better than his stats say he did and didn't have a bigger impact on the game. Stats in basketball are not the full story this isn't baseball.
Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-07-2012 at 04:27 AM.
Just finished watching the game. Loved our rebounding obviously, and everyone was hustling on defense. Boston missed a bunch of shots they usually make, but I'll take it.
I'm more concerned about Collison not getting any penetration on his passes. Every time he passes its side to side, nothing going toward the basket. It's especially hard to pass in the lane against the Celtics because they have KG, but even against teams with weak defensive front courts DC isn't getting it done. You can especially tell when AJ or Lance come in. Even though they have problems of their own, they can find gaps in the defense and get the offense working toward the rim.
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Good post. They can find gaps for a couple reasons. They are taller AND naturally able to see the floor much better. Those are two extremely different things, but both are crucial. Also, Lance and probably AJ are more talented passers. That is also a separate distinction.
BUT...Collison is a valuable player. A very valuable one in fact. As long as he plays much, he should be used more like a SG. I'm sorry if people want him to play PG, but as good as he's playing he will never have those types of skills. But he could be a great scorer and shooter. One that goes around picks along the lines of Rip Hamilton. The reason is that he can shoot very, very well...and he can drive to the bucket very, very well. He's also ultra quick. He can even shoot for range. Have him watch Tony Parker. Tony doesn't really play the role of floor general that much, but he's quite effective.
I really didn't like Collison last year, but he has progressively improved. He has even slightly improved his PG skills, so I'm not completely closing the door on him. More than anything, I would like him to prove me wrong and develop into more of a pass first PG.
But I would still like him to retain his good qualities and that's darting around the floor, catching passes and converting shots. He is really good at that already. Hopefully our team learns to pass well enough that his weaknesses are completely masked.
The good news is that he has a good handle and can bring the ball down the court. I have some hopes that he'll find a way to execute the PnR adequately. But I think his natural skills are mostly SG and he could be a Rip Hamilton type of threat. But we need to really work on our passing a lot. A Ginobili type player and development of our passing skills as a team would go a long way to allowing Darren to operate as a starter here.
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Thought price played rather well last night, but more than anything it was great to have foster out there. If foster could play 30 minutes every game that would help our teams as much as anything
Hopefully, Vogel will continue the rotations and basic offense. I SWEAR that Vogel read my comments. Lance and Price are pretty interchangable at the PG spot, but I REALLY prefer that Geroge Hill continues to spend time at the SG spot while PG and DJ backup Granger at the SF spot. Another that I like is that now with Foster is back, we don't have to continue to play D. West at the center spot with Hansbrough. The rotation of....
Collison/Price or Stephenson
Should win us a good chunk of games. Also, I do believe that we should facilitate more of our half-court sets from the post with Hibbert. Hibbert is a VERY underrated passer, and will command double teams at times. As I stated before...our offense should be feed the ball to Hibbert, George attack the paint, and everyone else need to wait for the pass from Hibbert. As for Tyler...keep hitting those FTs and forcing their bigs into foul trouble. Tyler is one of those players, I wouldn't care if he doesn't get a single assist for the entire season. He keeps attacking the offense and chasing offensive rebounds so freaking much, Indiana is going to get a score one way or another. Not to mention that Tyler is averaging 1 SPG which ranks him 9th among PFs. Tyler is one those players who will average 10+ PPG and not have a SINGLE play called for him.