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    I'm not buying the blame JOB for Danny's regression. There's nothing to support it, and Danny seems to have issues with fundamentals (dribbling, passing) and mental (head down, bad shot selection), which would have been coached throughout his entire career. If anything, JOB played to Danny's strengths, which is a smart way to coach.

    I don't know if it's injuries or he's been here too long and he's burnt out, but right now we could take Granger off this team and not really miss much, and it's been that way for a couple years. I like Granger, and in some ways I'd like to see him traded as I think we could get something more useful back, and I think he could really thrive in the right circumstances, and for some reason Indianapolis doesn't seem to be the right place.

    Saying that, I want to see how this season plays out. The addition of West could really benefit Granger and I could see his game developing as he plays with an experienced vet. His trade value is probably at an all time low right now, so hopefully the added experience to the roster will help take the weight off Granger and allow him to find his place on the court. His defense seems improved over last year, and hopefully with time he can really find his place in the offense.
    What are the main concerns about Danny right now?

    1. He has bad shot selection.

    2. He only plays defense on occasion.

    You really don't see anything from O'Brien there?


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    I couldn't resist.


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    What are the main concerns about Danny right now?

    1. He has bad shot selection.

    2. He only plays defense on occasion.

    You really don't see anything from O'Brien there?
    The biggest concern I have about Danny is that he hasn't improved on his biggest weaknesses in 5 years. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Jim Obrien. JMO

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    Mourning, of course you can't concede anything, but the fact is the same concerns we are discussing now regarding Danny, are the exact same concerns I listed years back when I saw this coming. If you were to go back and read my posts about Danny, you'll see I NEVER said he was a bad player and I only used basketball reasons for my opinions. Because my opinion differed from the majority then, didn't mean I was a troll with some "irrational hatred" for Danny. My sole purpose for wanting Danny dealt then was to maximize his value before the league discovered that he was a one-dimensional player hyped up as something he wasn't. I made the same comments about Jermaine as well before he was dealt 5 years later for much less than what we could have received. So before you accuse me of "irrational hatred", why don't you read what I posted about Danny years ago and realize my concerns then are the same concerns now. Only then, Danny had twice the value.
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    I wanted this as well I was really hoping to trade him a few years ago. Danny is a good player but he wasn't/ isn't good enough to build around. We should of traded him and not traded for Murpleavy and trade JO long before we did and started over. I would of traded him the year after the MIP season.(if the value was right)
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    The biggest concern I have about Danny is that he hasn't improved on his biggest weaknesses in 5 years. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Jim Obrien. JMO
    Ok, I'll bite.

    What is his biggest weakness that concerns you?


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    I want to know how NBA scouts functioned for 50 years without Twitter. No wonder Tractor Traylor got traded for Dirk Nowitzki.

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    Ok, I'll bite.

    What is his biggest weakness that concerns you?
    The lack of ability to start fires with his mind.
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    Ok, I'll bite.

    What is his biggest weakness that concerns you?
    He can handle a basketball about as well as Air Bud.

    good one Duke. Very witty.
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    He can handle a basketball about as well as Air Bud.

    good one Duke. Very witty.
    What exactly do you see as his problems when it comes to dribbling? Is it his style of dribbling or how he dribbles that concerns you?

    I mean I understand what your saying & you are not the first person to say this but I guess specifically what are the problems?

    I'm far more concerned with his shot selection myself but let me see if you can convince me to change my mind.


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    I see part of the dribbling issue as part of the shot selection issue... If he wouldn't decide he needed to somehow all of a sudden force something towards the basket he'd either be passing or not dribbling into the defense to force a shot in the first place.
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    What exactly do you see as his problems when it comes to dribbling? Is it his style of dribbling or how he dribbles that concerns you?

    I mean I understand what your saying & you are not the first person to say this but I guess specifically what are the problems?

    I'm far more concerned with his shot selection myself but let me see if you can convince me to change my mind.
    Well, he doesn't have good court vision or a natural feel on the court to compensate. But his biggest problem is, I feel, he has very poor hand eye coordination. IDK what else it could be? He has hands the size of baseball mitts and he still has to look down at the ball in traffic. Fundamentally he doesn't look too bad, he gets too high from time to time, but none of that really seems to be the actual problem.

    His shot selection is probably my biggest gripe with him also. Except I would just expand on that and call it a lack of basketball IQ. He makes a lot of bone headed plays on both ends of the floor.

    I don't agree with the notion that he has no trade value though. Danny is a top notch shooter. And that is a very valuable thing to have. When he is dialed in he is very dangerous, with tremendous range. He can pop off for 30 regularly.

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    I see part of the dribbling issue as part of the shot selection issue... If he wouldn't decide he needed to somehow all of a sudden force something towards the basket he'd either be passing or not dribbling into the defense to force a shot in the first place.
    That is a very good point. His ball handling wouldn't be an issue if he had a better bball IQ and knew when to pick his spots. It's not like he can't get to the rim if he has a lane. He just can't change directions, or make any kind of significant move off the dribble.
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    OK, so let's set Eric Gordon aside for a second. If we were to trade Danny, what could we reasonably expect in return?
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    OK, so let's set Eric Gordon aside for a second. If we were to trade Danny, what could we reasonably expect in return?
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    Gordon's chronic injury problems at a young age are a major red flag.

    He is a top 10 player when healthy but the Pacers should neither trade for or sign him as a FA until he proves durable.

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    Gordon's chronic injury problems at a young age are a major red flag.

    He is a top 10 player when healthy but the Pacers should neither trade for or sign him as a FA until he proves durable.
    im probably EJ's biggest fan top 10 is a big stretch. He does have the potential to be in the future IMO though.

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    Stephan Curry, Eric Gordon, Kevin Martin
    No way, no way, probably.

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    I'd rather keep Danny then to ship him out for Martin. If you think Granger is one-dimensional then you have got something coming when we bring in Martin.
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