I have wanted Lance to play SG/SF his whole time here. I though/think the Pacers are doing him a disservice playing him at pg which isn't his position.
my ideal Lance lineup
Paul or Danny or Lance(with Hill or someone else at SG I think he can play the SF JMO but it helps hide his lack of lateral quickness on defense. Which ever match up is best he should guard the 2 or the 3 based on that.)
West or Tyler
whoever at C
Lance and Dantay should not play together IMO I just don't like how the offense flows with the 2 of them are in together.
It was just a horrible performance on both sides of the ball. Honestly, one of the poorer performances I can remember in recent memory. It wasn't even that the team was missing shots (which they clearly were), they was just no continuity or teamwork between anyone which was compounded by a lack of effort and heart sans maybe Amundson. This team has to do the little things if they want to beat a team like Miami, and there was none of that.
The only big, fat, positive * I would stick on all of this bad play is the effect of the lockout. It truly is devastating in terms of cutting off the staff from communicating with the players while they work/develop over the summer, we had a super condensed preseason/camp with a roster that wasn't even finished yet, and this is all with a new staff with a new system. That is BRUTAL. Especially since it's not a veteran head coach or roster.
Then the lockout continues to hurt with this crammed schedule which basically forces real games to substitute for some of our would-be practice and rest time, and every game is more important than usual, which magnifies everything.
I say none of that to be an excuse; it's not! BUT, it's a very valid, very real, partial, explanation for what is going on here, I think.
It's almost tragic to me that it had to be this way instead of the usual summer and schedule.
Also, I wish Wade would have played tonight.
Here is an odd stat to lighten the mood after getting ran out of the building. This was Tyler's 3rd career game making 10 or more FT but the second time its happened in Miami and is now 30 of 32 or 94% career in FT against them.
If you watched the first five games of the season, you probably thought this kind of game was coming sooner rather than later. As much as I hate to lose (to the Heat; by 35; to a team missing it's best player), I think this is exactly the result this team needed at this time.
Are Granger and George the poorest dribbling 2 and 3 tandem in the league? Seriously, it's like someone coated the basketball with soap suds tonight.
I'm having serious questions about Granger and whether his game has hit some wall or whether he has some issues with the team in some way and it's affecting his game.
I lost a lot of respect for Granger last season when at the end of a clock after a timeout he clearly was pissed about something and not even trying to be involved. Some Granger defenders defended him saying he was just a decoy for the play and his role was to force someone out to cover him. Well, if he was a decoy he should've at least acted like he was going to get the ball in a position to shoot or attack the basket. ...Instead he looked like he was waiting for the clock to hit zeros so he could go watch TV or something.
This was with Vogel as coach.
Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."
One other thing tonight showed us, it's so sad from a legacy stand point that Lebron decided to try and buddy cop it up with Wade in Miami. He is amazing when he gets to constantly have the ball in his hands and create, I know he's kind of a prima donna or whatever, but jeez, is there a skill this guy doesn't have? I mean really, tonight was a crescendo of a performance by him. 33 points on 21 shots, 13 assists, 8 boards.
I know Miami probably has a boner for Wade, but god I'd Herschel Walker trade his *** to some other team. I firmly believe that the "Lebron isn't clutch" theory would get blown out of the water if he didn't have to share the ball with another ball dominant perimeter player, but alas, Le King sold that down the river. Too bad...he could have had something magical in New York with Amare.
I can't think much more about the unmitigated disaster that was this game. I'm going to bed and in the morning I'm placing an embargo on myself from talking about anything related to this *****-tastic performance. However, if we come out flat against Boston...so help me God, fire may rain from the sky.
The sky is not falling, we had a horrible night but I always say never get too high on the ups and never get too low on the downs. It was only one game to one of the best teams in the league on the road. Let's see how they come out against Boston. If it were me I'd come out there with a chip on my shoulder and a bit pissed off about tonights game.
I don't expect us to look good against Boston. They've been looking pretty solid since Pierce came back and I doubt they let us end their winning streak. Hopefully we can show some effort and make it competitive.
Nope... Not par... Season lows in FG% (34.8) Assists (12) and Turn Overs (23) seem to indicate otherwise... And Miami is not even that great of a defensive team... We just had no flow to our offensive game... And I was hoping we were getting on track there after our last game... There were so many errant passes and poor dribbling choices from many of our players (not just Paulie and Danny) that I thought I might throw up...
Also... That was the flat out worst game I've ever seen Granger play... Especially against the Heat... He killed us tonight... HORRIBLE shot selection...
I also feel like some very tough calls were made on our two PFs tonight...
Just an overall bad night... I don't think we could have beat Washington tonight...
The good news is this could be our slump during the season we typically have. Last year after Vogel took over we had a 6 game skid and even got blown out to the timberwolves. Everyone on this board knows that this Pacers team can play better and that they will play better. My theory is that were having our slump to start the season as oppose to later on, also having all these road games early doesn't help. But I believe soon this Pacers team will be back on track and play consistent good basketball. If a team is slumping and they go 4-2 while slumping you gotta be happy about that. Hopefully we bounce back Friday against the Celtics and play to expectations.
We've been playing terribly throughout this young season. We could be 3-3 as well if not for Irving's missed layup at the buzzer.
Actually, we've had one good game so far (Nets).
The other wins were partly hard to watch and it often looked like two lottery teams were playing.
West may certainly be a personality in the locker room, but I think his performance leaves a lot to be desired. Lots of turnovers, not a real one-on-one presence against his defenders, and especially when they double-team him, he (or the whole team) has problems to get the ball to the open man.
I've never really liked Dunleavy but I think he'd be much more valuable to the team than Dahntay. Ball sharing, offensive flow has been horrible, if not non-existent so far.
Well, I don't know. I understand the team needs some time and I'm definitely not in panic mode, but I'm also everything else than impressed by the Pacers' play so far.
I am one of the biggest Collison critics on this board. But you have to give him credit for his performance last night. He was the only one bringing game to the floor, he hit some big shots, and he was the big key to an almost comeback in the 3rd quarter.
That said, it is true that he can't stop his man on defense (and that may not be very fixable). It is also true that he is not a floor general and doesn't see the floor that well, although to his credit he has been very different so far this year in his clear focus on passing the ball around instead of looking for his own shot.
We need a true playmaker/point guard. But Collison's effort and improvement so far this year is making the wait a little less painful.
Don't you have to figure that West's line about "no more going one on one" had to do with Granger? Because that's what Danny kept trying to do again and again last night.
Danny clearly does not trust the rest of the team. Now, part of the reason for this is the rest of the team can't create a shot. TPTB either needs to acquire a playmaker or develop a better offense.
Nevertheless, Danny Granger needs to be more mature than this. He needs to pass the ball, work the offense, look for true opportunities to score rather than force utter crap against two and three defenders early in the shot clock—which he did several times last night.
Part of this was panic. We started getting behind and Danny starting throwing up crap in desperation. So his problems are not only trust, but also being mentally weak, not having the patience to grind out a comeback the correct way.
Let's hope to God that David West gets in his grill and has some talks with him.