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Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

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  • #46
    Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

    If we could somehow net Robin Lopez alongside Nash while sending DC+1st....I'd be okay with that.

    I think that Bird's perceived window to put together the best, most competitive Team is 2 years.....as evidenced by West's signing of 2 years......his preference to go after JCraw for only 2 years and Granger's contract that last another 3 years ( yes, it's 3 years for Granger...but my guess is that we want to try to win as much as we can with Granger onboard before he heads off as a UFA ).

    With GH and Lance backing him up....I think that Nash is in such good condition that he can still contribute at a high level for another 2 seasons if we don't over use him. I don't want to give up a 1st round pick....but Nash is a difference maker...even at his current age....the question is if he can contribute at a higher level then DC over the next 2 years or not.

    But in the end...I am guessing that Nash will prefer to go to a Championship Contender....specifically the Celtics. I still think that Ainge will offer up Rondo for Nash and Lopez.
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    • #47
      Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

      That trade machine is bunk, I just did Steve Nash for AJ Price just to see what it would say. It had us only going up 1 win and the Suns only dropping 3 wins.

      Yeah, cause Steve Nash is only worth 3 wins over AJ Price...
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      • #48
        Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

        If this does happens then I think another determining factor is Lance being able to take over the team next season..... Larry I feel sees Lance as the starter of the team in the near future. So in that sense Larry may feel DC is hampering Lance, so he becomes expendable. Plus why not have a hall of fame pg mentoring and grooming Lance......IMO
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        • #49
          Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

          Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
          If this does happens then I think another determining factor is Lance being able to take over the team next season..... Larry I feel sees Lance as the starter of the team in the near future. So in that sense Larry may feel DC is hampering Lance, so he becomes expendable. Plus why not have a hall of fame pg mentoring and grooming Lance......IMO
          DC is hampering Lance? I mean seriously?


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          • #50
            Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

            Personally, I would rather wait and see how Collison produces under Vogel. Keeping it real...even at 38, Nash is still producing at a high level. John Stockton had that same ageless game.


            Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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            • #51
              Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

              Originally posted by The Sleeze View Post
              That trade machine is bunk, I just did Steve Nash for AJ Price just to see what it would say. It had us only going up 1 win and the Suns only dropping 3 wins.

              Yeah, cause Steve Nash is only worth 3 wins over AJ Price...
              Now we know where Sookie works at
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              • #52
                Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                Speaking of the Trade Machine, this sounds like Chad Ford and Bill Simmons have been playing on it. I don't see any substance to this as a rumor, just guys talking, aka it would never happen.

                I would say this watching 38 yr old Nash play, he's still excellent.

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                • #53
                  Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                  I also love when people say "If Nash was 30/34 hell yeah" well, Nash at 30/34 would at least require half of the team and a bunch of picks to even make Phoenix think about it.
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                  • #54
                    Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                    This is a really interesting proposal. Obviously, we all know what Nash can do, and saying that he probably gets us to the ECF this year is completely believable. But, at his age, and because this is Indiana, I don't see a real future in this deal. Yes, we have George Hill, but if he were good enough to start in place of DC, he'd be starting in place of DC now.

                    I am personally a big fan of DC, so that adds in here, but I struggle to believe that adding Nash now would be worth it. This team is much improved over last year, but it's still not a true title contender, even with the addition of a 37-38 year old Nash. I think if we're going to make a deal to improve at PG, let's shoot for Rondo or DWill. It will obviously take more than just DC to get either of those two, but given their age and talent level, I think they fit in here much better with the future of this franchise. As much as I like DC, I'd be happy to have Rondo, and absolutely ecstatic to get Deron Williams. Nash is fun to watch, and is really an all-time talent, but I just don't think he fits in with this team at this point of his career.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                      Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                      What KStat said, though this would be a horrific trade for the Suns.
                      I don't get it. What are they really gonna get for a 38 year old Nash that's any better? Better to let him play out the year and leave for nothing?

                      Its a win now move... most contending teams lack good young talent to send. Most teams with young talent have no use for a 38 year old Nash.

                      The Pacers are in a unique, best of both worlds situation here. We have young talent and we are trying to win now.
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                      • #56
                        Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                        Originally posted by drewdawg View Post
                        Did the trade on ESPN's trade machine. While we all have varying opinions on Hollinger according to his analysis getting Nash for Collison would decrease the Pacers projected wins by 5 and increase the Suns by 5. Found that interesting and I'm not big on the per stat but that does backup my belief that it wouldn't be that good of a trade.

                        http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83qk7z6
                        Even Hollinger would tell you that the sample space is way too small to draw any valid conclusions about PER.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                          I guess it all depends on if DC can turn into the PG we need to contend. He still has alot of potential and he could turn into that still.

                          Steve Nash has maybe 3 more good years in him at the most. It would be risky but there is always Lance waiting to be a star

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                          • #58
                            Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                            Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                            If it's still available, I wouldn't mind revisiting this deal at the deadline, when we have more evidence to base our decision on. Why act now?
                            The sooner the better.....it takes time for any Player to assimilate into the offense/defense.

                            We have a 2 year window IMHO.....making the best run at the earliest time at a Championship is the best route to take while everyone is as young ( or old ) as they are.
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                            • #59
                              Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                              Originally posted by Speed View Post
                              Speaking of the Trade Machine, this sounds like Chad Ford and Bill Simmons have been playing on it. I don't see any substance to this as a rumor, just guys talking, aka it would never happen.

                              I would say this watching 38 yr old Nash play, he's still excellent.
                              PnR with Nash and West..oh my.

                              As much as I like DC, I think you have to do it. Nash can bring much more to this team than simply making the team as a whole better. I think he has the ability to make individual players better. Plus, Nash has those same intangibles that West and Foster have, it would be nice to have more of that in the locker room.

                              Not only that, but having Nash on the team certainly increases the chance that this team goes pretty far in the playoffs. Which is fantastic experience for our younger guys. And when the time comes, we'll have the ability to get a PG the same level as DC.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Steve Nash for Darren Collison - Chad Ford thinks it makes sense

                                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                                Unless you think Darren Collison is a future all-star, this is a no-brainer move. 2 years of steve nash is worth 10 of what collison is currently giving.

                                This is all a moot point though, unless Sarver is willing to let his franchise player go and lose ticket sales, which he has been unwilling to do as of yet.
                                IMHO.......unless Sarver thinks that the Suns can win it all this season with Nash and a roster that won't likely improve ( they are over the cap and have long-term contracts that won't likely be moved )...than IMHO, it would make more sense to put Nash on the Trading Block to see what he can get for him.
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