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  • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

    [QUOTE=spazzxb;1335875]

    Aside from Lance and Aj, who is the last 2nd round pick to play in a regular season game for us? /QUOTE]


    James Jones

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    • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

      [QUOTE=Justin Tyme;1335878]
      Originally posted by spazzxb View Post

      Aside from Lance and Aj, who is the last 2nd round pick to play in a regular season game for us? /QUOTE]


      James Jones
      Thats who I thought it was, like 9 years ago(wow).

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      • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

        Did anyone notice during the game that Sheldon Williams went up for a dunk and it bounced off his head? At the time it made me smirk, but then I saw this:

        http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/shelde...k-hit-in-face/



        Hehe... symbolic of their performance.

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        • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

          Originally posted by docpaul View Post
          Did anyone notice during the game that Sheldon Williams went up for a dunk and it bounced off his head? At the time it made me smirk, but then I saw this:

          http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/shelde...k-hit-in-face/



          Hehe... symbolic of their performance.
          That's hilarious.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

            [QUOTE=spazzxb;1335890]
            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post

            Thats who I thought it was, like 9 years ago(wow).
            That's not right.

            Off the top of my head these second rounders have played since James Jones left us:

            Solomon Jones
            Josh McRoberts
            Travis Diener
            Flip Murray
            Anthony Johnson
            Stephen Jackson

            I'm sure there have been others also. Not to mention, a bunch of undrafted guys.
            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

            -Lance Stephenson

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            • I think he meant players we actually drafted ourselves in the second round.

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              • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                I think he meant players we actually drafted ourselves in the second round.
                In that case, he could be right. We have had pretty rotten luck with the 2nd round prior to Price.
                "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                -Lance Stephenson

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                • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                  Shoot
                  Wait till Stanko gets here
                  Sittin on top of the world!

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                  • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                    Shoot
                    Wait till Stanko gets here
                    If Stanko gets here.

                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                      Well I'm way late to the thread but I hate to not post when someone has shown me up because I think it looks like I'm dodging the issue...


                      I was really pleased with the TYPE OF GAME that Dahntay played. Forget the 2 dunks in the 4th to pad the points, I mean everything he was doing prior to that. He made several nice passes, his defense was much better, he didn't dominate the ball nearly as much, and he even stopped and took a high % 2pt jumper instead of trying to force contact and risk the TO (he hit the shot).

                      He felt far more in sync with what the team needs from him and I was very pleased to see it. It's one game only, but gotta hand out praise when it's earned.


                      IN GENERAL
                      Nets totally outhustled the Pacers most of the game. It felt like the Pacers pushed harder in the 2nd half and the Nets wore down a bit, but prior to that it was dodgy and a little troubling.

                      The other thing was figuring out the trap, that opened up the game a little as well.

                      RANT
                      Lance vs Price. Come on already, this is ridiculous. One is a gamer PG who had 2 assists and a 3pt make in about 45 seconds and the other sloppily lost control the ball during the same stretch of play which as far as I can tell is par for course.

                      What do you guys see in Lance? I have yet to see him make much of any type of play. I don't get any of the interest. At best he looks like an And-1 player who doesn't understand how to translate his game to the NBA, and sometimes he doesn't even look that good to me.

                      He's big for a "PG", but he's not that laterally quick, he doesn't have crisp, quick dribble moves. All his stuff is very high dribbles, very long, exaggerated pickups that telegraph what he's trying to do. He literally tries to make every pass look like a no-look pass even if he hasn't set up a play to fake a look to in the first place.

                      And AJ, all he does he run a basic PnR with a crisp behind the back pass that sets up the easy score. He reads the spacing so much better and gets his own space better with his basic hesitation moves alone than Lance does with all his machinations.
                      /RANT


                      West hit his shots, felt like that was only a matter of time. He definitely gets his role.


                      Hibbert was disappointing. I was surprised to see him being outplayed so much. He woke up in the 2nd half but man, he should have gone to town. Seems like this keeps happening, he fails to kill it in some situations where you'd think he'd own the court. He's still not comfortable with what his NBA game is, IMO.


                      Danny was better. He's slowly creeping out of the JOB Granger and back to the all-around Granger. I think he's got a lot of repair work to do, a lot of lost time developing any drive and dish game (a non-awkward almost charge version that is), but he's trying it at least.

                      His defensive efforts have been noticeable improved from last year.


                      Paul was all over the place, but mostly sloppy. He made up for it with his 3s, and let's not gloss over how scorching he is from deep now, but he was also pretty foolish on at least half the possessions he was involved in. Growing pains, but sometimes it feels like he's not taking it seriously.


                      George Hill has definitely locked into a comfort zone with the team. It's bizarre to see how quickly he's been able to snap into place with the group. He went from not fitting in to looking as much like a stabilizing vet as West does.

                      Collison was surprisingly beat too often by Deron considering the fact that if anything Collison should be as quick as him. Giving post size AND getting blown by wasn't good.

                      But on the other hand DC does seem to have a pretty good handle on what his game is and what the team needs from him so there is hope there. He needs to keep up the effort and show a little progress to being more than just a serviceable starting PG.



                      2nd RANT
                      At the risk of going Tyler bashing again, remember all the debates where I (and some others) brought up the FG% issue, and the doesn't-have-a-post-move issue? When he's not getting fouls called it shows up pretty badly.

                      Look, I've come to appreciate his hustle and work to get opportunities that shouldn't be there. He gets fouls because of the hustle and he gets to loose balls and picks up steals with it too, along with a fierce grip once he touches the ball. But you just can't build an offensive game out of one-handed below the belt flips at the rim.

                      His PnPop jumper is nice and reliable. But if he wants to take 11-13 FGAs a game he's going to have to get something that goes down more than 36.7% of the time. That's the kind of FG% that gets guys into the NBDL. Seriously.

                      He's 4th worst in the entire NBA in AdjFG%, just ahead of Wall (who's horrible), Josh Smith and Rudy Gay. On one hand you see the company with him and think it's early and no big deal. That would be true if Tyler hadn't already had a year of shooting in this same range. Gay and Smith can be expected to shoot better.

                      Tyler needs to prove he can for more than 2 weeks at a time. A PF that takes no 3pt shots and should be getting some dunks at the rim to pad the FG% should be in the 47-52 range.

                      And yes, Granger and West aren't much better, but West is coming off of ACL and has huge history to give you faith, and Danny at least has hit the 3 somewhat okay and also has better shooting history.

                      I'M NOT SAYING HE CAN'T. I'M SAYING HE NEEDS TO START DOING IT. He's taking the 2nd most shots on the team and shooting the ball the worst. If the name on the jersey said "Jackson" people would be booing. I know this because it happened.

                      The team needs a primary bench scorer, and that person has to shoot an adjusted of at least 47% if you want to lean on them for wins.

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                      • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                        So West and Danny are worse than Tyler but let's just talk about Tyler's suckiness? two starters who are former all stars that have worse shooting percentage than a 3rd year guy who is actually a second year guy? ...........OK
                        Last edited by vnzla81; 01-03-2012, 11:19 PM.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                          Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
                          You know your pretty good when your up relatively comfortably the whole game but your still complaining about every little thing that's happening. Lol

                          Then conceed after the game it was a pretty good game.
                          I don't call 6 points comfortably ahead. Especially when Hibbert, West and Hill at least got shots blown up at the rim and the Nets were keeping pace on the boards too.

                          Down the stretch it suddenly fell apart for the Nets, but with 4 minutes left in the 3rd it was a freaking 5 pt game.

                          They had to lean on their deep bench and guys like Petro and Shawne Williams didn't show the output that Sheldon, Deron, and Brooks were giving. Had they had even Humphries this game would have gone down to the wire, let alone Lopez too. It shouldn't have been this close considering how well the Pacers shot.

                          If you go 13-21 from 3 (39 points right there) you usually win by 20 points. 60% from 3 is hard to overcome.

                          The Pacers struggled to establish any kind of paint offense all night and ended up with a FTA disadvantage of 18 to 26 for the Nets.


                          The Pacers committed more fouls, turned the ball over more, and had less steals and blocks than the Nets. The rebound advantage was 42-40 and that had as much to do with the Nets missing more shots than anything (DEF rebounds are easier than OFF boards, usually 60-65% DEF vs OFF on a miss).

                          Take out the 3pt makes and this game is a toss up that shouldn't have been.

                          Now maybe the team's identity is a 3pt bomb machine, but does anywhere here really believe that or think that's the identity Vogel is going for?

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                          • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                            Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                            Meanwhile his 3pt % has stayed consistently solid throughout his career. That, and watching him over the last 7 years tells me he is a spot up shooter and needs to remain such. He's just not effective at all when trying to create for himself. Pacers would greatly benefit if he would alter his style of play.
                            Agree totally. Just when we were hoping to see that part of his game develop along comes JOB. Danny drives but he has no real moves going to the rim and nothing to dish from. He gets into traffic and makes bail out passes, not proper, smooth and controlled "I meant to do this" passes or plays.

                            On one hand you need him to be able to drive, but on the other if he's not going to improve the skill then he'll have to back off forcing it. It's a catch 22 this year because he'll have to improve during games where he won't be good at it while he's trying it.

                            I noticed they are working on posting him too and that he's not really comfortable with that either.

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                            • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I don't call 6 points comfortably ahead. Especially when Hibbert, West and Hill at least got shots blown up at the rim and the Nets were keeping pace on the boards too.

                              Down the stretch it suddenly fell apart for the Nets, but with 4 minutes left in the 3rd it was a freaking 5 pt game.

                              They had to lean on their deep bench and guys like Petro and Shawne Williams didn't show the output that Sheldon, Deron, and Brooks were giving. Had they had even Humphries this game would have gone down to the wire, let alone Lopez too. It shouldn't have been this close considering how well the Pacers shot.

                              If you go 13-21 from 3 (39 points right there) you usually win by 20 points. 60% from 3 is hard to overcome.

                              The Pacers struggled to establish any kind of paint offense all night and ended up with a FTA disadvantage of 18 to 26 for the Nets.


                              The Pacers committed more fouls, turned the ball over more, and had less steals and blocks than the Nets. The rebound advantage was 42-40 and that had as much to do with the Nets missing more shots than anything (DEF rebounds are easier than OFF boards, usually 60-65% DEF vs OFF on a miss).

                              Take out the 3pt makes and this game is a toss up that shouldn't have been.

                              Now maybe the team's identity is a 3pt bomb machine, but does anywhere here really believe that or think that's the identity Vogel is going for?
                              Spot on. we beat a bad team we should have, but we looked sloppy in the process. Not good.

                              Real test is tomorrow against Miami to see where we really stand.
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • Re: Nets/Pacers postgame thread

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                Agree totally. Just when we were hoping to see that part of his game develop along comes JOB. Danny drives but he has no real moves going to the rim and nothing to dish from. He gets into traffic and makes bail out passes, not proper, smooth and controlled "I meant to do this" passes or plays.

                                On one hand you need him to be able to drive, but on the other if he's not going to improve the skill then he'll have to back off forcing it. It's a catch 22 this year because he'll have to improve during games where he won't be good at it while he's trying it.

                                I noticed they are working on posting him too and that he's not really comfortable with that either.
                                I saw that too, but I think that's the way Danny needs to go. He's pretty big, and he's got poor handles. He's much better off with a post up game.

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