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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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PD's Biggest Loser 2012

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  • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

    Day one of writing down everything I eat. Total calories 2270. Only 70 above what I shot for. The VA gave me a great book that has most restaurants and most foods that I can think of. It is called The Calorie KIng Calorie Fat and Carbohydrate Counter. I like it because it is small but packs a ton of information. My only complaint is the writing is too small. Ok for me but someone with glasses may have problems. Gotta do weekly weigh-ins as well.

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    • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

      I should have got in on this, down 60 pounds for the year (but I kind of cheated.) I still need to lose another 30 or so, but I'm heading in the right direction, eating good, regular healthy home-cooked meals, have lost about a pound a week for the last 5 weeks. The only fast food I've had in the last three months was a visit to Taco Bell where I had one regular beef taco, one bean burrito, and a potato burrito.

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      • Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
        I met with my nutritionist and found out that I have gained back 15 pounds of the first 30 that I took off. We rallied around and made a plan for me to start writing down everything that I eat and drink in a journal and count the calories. I have been drinking a lot of calories. I will be talking with her on a weekly basis on the phone and monthly office visits. This is a great free programs for disabled veterans.
        Drinking calories was the biggest reason I gained weight to begin with. Do you have a smartphone? Try my fitness pal. Myfitnesspal.com is good for tracking calories to.

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          I was doing good with drinking up calories except at work where I ended up drinking 2 non-diet sodas. Today I did much better and ended up under my 2200 calorie goal. I used some almonds in between meals to help with cravings. It worked pretty good tonight because usually I feel really hungry. I ate about a dozen or so almonds and drank 20 ounces of water with them. Now back to work tomorrow and hopefullyI can keep my discipline and end up around the 2000 calorie mark. I will have to check out that myfitnesspal website. Unfortunately my crappy old cell phone that I have works poorly. My biggest problem seems to be late night eating.

          I also have not been exercising any lately, mainly because of my work environment is a fast paced job where I am always on my feet, there is no sitting and there are times when we climb ladders and deal with heavy car parts. By the time I get home I can barely walk or even go up and down stairs. I am going to start very slowly incorporating exercise in with me doing some weight training and do slow walking on the treadmill on my days off. I am hoping the weight starts coming off and maybe a year from now I will be closer to my goal. If I could get down to 210-220 lbs I would feel much better. I know that all of this weight puts a lot of stress on my knees and ankle.

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          • Originally posted by Dab View Post
            I should have got in on this, down 60 pounds for the year (but I kind of cheated.) I still need to lose another 30 or so, but I'm heading in the right direction, eating good, regular healthy home-cooked meals, have lost about a pound a week for the last 5 weeks. The only fast food I've had in the last three months was a visit to Taco Bell where I had one regular beef taco, one bean burrito, and a potato burrito.

            I don't eat white flour torrtilla's. 200 calories for the ones in tb burritos. I do eat a chicken cantina bowl pretty regularly(qdobas naked burrito bowls are a lot better), but that's the only taco bell I touch. You can request whole wheat buns at Arbys. Other than That the only fast food I eat is subway, quizznos, firehouse subs, and the healthy wrap place at the mall.
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            • Just signed up for the drumstick dash thanksgiving at broad ripple. 30 pounds till my goal of 225. About 6 pounds from a triple digit loss(100). Also benching 180 4 sets of 12 now. Never earned the 200 bench teeshirt in high school.
              Last edited by spazzxb; 11-14-2012, 03:27 PM.

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              • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                I was doing pretty good recently until my daughter wound up in Riley Hospital last week and is expected to be there another 10-14 days. I have done some emotional eating and have provided a bad influence for my other daughter also been eating poorly when working. Hopefully my work hours decrease with people coming back from medical leave and the hiring of new people. I was very impressed with my daughter who is staying at multiple places while I work. She came to me last night and said that we needed to eat healthier. We are going grocery shopping tonight and we are going healthy. It was so cute to see my eight year old making a shopping list for today. She is wise beyond her years.

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                • Actually ran the entire 4.6 miles without walking at the Drumstick dash. Had never done more than 2 miles on the treadmill before. 49:40. Feet are sore, rested yesterday but got on the elliptical for half an hour today.

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                    My daughter got out on Wednesday and I was so glad to have her home. The damage was done though, I weighed 10 pounds more since she had gone in. I am going to be working less hours, so that will be more opportunity to walk on the treadmill and eat better with my daughters. I have to call the VA and tell the nutritionist about my weight gain so I expect a butt chewing from her.

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                      Uhh... Starting to slowly find the weight that I have "lost", although its not surprising since I have been through some stress and heartache recently as well as some other factors that always hang around. I might have to go back to my subway diet before too long...
                      Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                      I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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                      • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                        Well, I finally got in contact with my nutritionist from the VA and was surprised that she didn't chew me a new one for gaining 10 pounds in two weeks. She said since my daughter was in Riley for the past two weeks and that I had stress from having to work and care for my other daughter she expected weight gain for me. Not only did I gain 10 pounds, my daughter gained 6 pounds. I guess the not wanting to cook and eating out was way too often. Tonight she really impressed me though. She came to me to help make an exercise program for me and her to walk on the treadmill together, do some stretching, lift weights and stick to an 1800 calorie diet plan. I think with my reduced work hours this week we can get everything started and on the right track.

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                        • Re: PD's Biggest Loser 2012

                          I just wanted to mention Ken Berger is doing a great series of Nutrition in the NBA. Part 1 is about the Lakers and how they feed their players. Great read and that is mainly whst I eat now after I changed my life style a few years ago. it is unorthodox compared to what some teach. I believe what they teach is really outdated. I agree Carbs, Bread and grains are terrible for your body not good for you like so many believe. I highy recommend reading the series even talks about Roy Hibberts diet. I really like what the Lakers are doing it is really good for your body imo

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                            Well, I had gotten way up to 367 when I had to sit for five weeks not able to work for a knee injury. After that I was diagnosed with pneumonia when I went to get my release to work. I missed a week after that so they could do CT scans and send me to a pulmonary specialist up in Ft. Wayne. I have had pneumonia 3 times in the past year. They scheduled a bronchoscopy but never did it because the specialist asked about inhaling chemicals or asbestos. I was in the military and changing brakes that were 30-50 years old that had asbestos brake shoes. She said that she thinks it is just scar tissue but I have to do a CT scan every 2 months. My civilian doctor put me on a diet pill earlier this year. When I went in to see the doctor last week he was a little ticked because my weight was down to 347. He told me that he would give me one more 3 months supply of the Adipex. He also told me that if I did not lose at least 30 pounds in three months he won't give it to me anymore. He also said that he would prefer a 40-50 pound drop. After telling my nephew about this he became a savior because he was going to get a membership at a new gym in town. He asked me to be his workout buddy. So I went and got my membership and we start Monday. I think it will be the best 20$ a month bill that I have ever had. I weighed myself in clothes this morning and was 337 pounds. Now I just have to work my butt off.

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                              I'm starting up again after the first of the year. My weight is all the way back up to what I started at in this thread, around 330.

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                                Just when I was about ready to throw in the towel, my nephew called me to tell me that a new gym opened up in town and he asked if I needed a workout buddy because he was getting a membership there. I went home and got mine too. Nice looking place for 20$ a month. The biggest thing that impressed me was the fact that during the week it is open 24 hours a day and on the weekends it is 7am-7pm. We are starting up Monday. He wants to work out three times a week and mainly with lifting weights. My plan is to go with him and do the weights with him and after we are done stay there and do my cardio stuff. I think I will at least do some cardio 4 days a week. I figure weekly weighing with their scale should tell me if I am on the right track. I would like to drop below 300 in 3 months so I can tell the doctor I am serious about wanting to get in better health. That is my immediate goal. My long term goal would be getting down to 215 within 2 years.

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