Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

  1. #1
    Administrator Peck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,697

    Default Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    It might be the best deal Orlando could make but Westbrook & filler for Howard might be something they could accept.

    http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumbli...-grizzlies-95/

    Nuggets from my notebook from Wednesday’s win at Memphis.

    •I imagine there will be plenty of talk about Russell Westbrook’s performance tonight. And rightfully so. He went 0-for-13 with only four points and six assists against four turnovers in 31 minutes. It was a performance that rivaled the worst of any in his career to date. But there was a reason for the struggles. As I wrote for Thursday’s paper, Westbrook let his emotions get the best of him. It was clear as day and once he got heated there was no putting out that fire.
    •As I laid out in the above link, Westbrook and Kevin Durant got into a heated exchange on the bench during a second quarter timeout. It was as fierce as anything I’ve ever seen from the two publicly and the kind of scene that lends credence to the alleged beef between the two. It didn’t appear to have anything AT ALL to do with the rumored rift that so many seemingly wants to be true. But they had to be separated more than once as they lashed out at each other. Fans in the first few rows behind the bench even came to their feet as if a fight was breaking out. The two eventually sat at opposite ends of the five-man unit that was sitting while waiting on Thunder coach Scott Brooks to enter the huddle. But when Durant and Westbrook took the court, Durant walked over and patted Westbrook on the back of the head.
    •Durant on the altercation: “We’re going to disagree sometimes, like I’ve always been saying. But I’m behind him 110 percent, and he’s the same way with me. And you seen when we came on the floor we clicked and everything started to work from there.”
    •Brooks on the altercation: “When you have an intense game, you’re going to have arguments. I have no problem with it. I think it’s healthy. I think you learn from it and you get better with it. That’s just part of an NBA game. We have it and other teams have it. Good teams, bad teams and average teams. I have no issues with how our guys compete. At times they get frustrated. But it’s always about the team.”
    •Westbrook did not address the media after the game. He wasn’t seen by reporters in the locker room when the media was permitted to enter. It’s not uncommon of Westbrook, though, to dart out of the dressing room. He typically is one of the first out after every game.
    •Once again, the altercation did not start between Durant and Westbrook. It simply happened to boil over to them. The frustration started when Westbrook attacked the paint on a drive with about 3 1/2 minutes remaining in the second quarter and kicked it out to a wide open Thabo Sefolosha in the corner. Sefolosha pump faked and passed up the shot, prompting Westbrook to scream at him to “shoot the (expletive) ball.” Sefolosha immediately told Westbrook to relax while acknowledging his mistake. But Westbrook was still steaming as Durant stepped to the free throw line at the end of the sequence. Durant tried to calm Westbrook down, and Kendrick Perkins chimed in with a few words as well while standing at the opposite side of the court from Westbrook. The bench incident took place during a timeout a minute later.
    •Westbrook was actually right when he demanded Thabo shoot. Westbrook just handled it the wrong way. Although Westbrook chose his words poorly, his reaction was no different than things I’ve seen from Chris Paul when demanding his teammates do something. Initially, I viewed it as a sign of Westbrook’s growing leadership and improved confidence in communicating, even if it means getting on someone. He was holding his teammate accountable, something he is obligated to do as the Thunder’s floor general. But it looked like he just didn’t know when to let it go.
    •If you want my opinion, Durant and Westbrook are fine. There is nothing to worry about between the two. I don’t pretend to know if things will remain that way.

    •KD and Russ finished the game extremely well. Russ was passing Durant the ball according to the plays being called and there was no sign of resentment or tension. If there is something cancerous about their relationship, you certainly couldn’t tell by how they played together after halftime and cheered each other on the rest of the way.
    •Westbrook will have to learn from this experience. He let his emotions negatively impact nearly every other aspect of his game. His defense on Jeremy Pargo was lousy, largely because he began playing with his heart instead of his head. On numerous occasions, Westbrook gambled defensively, going for steals in the backcourt only to come up short and allow Pargo a lane to see the court and make a play. Pargo got anything he wanted on those possessions and turned their one-on-one matchup into a reference for his resume.
    •I thought Brooks should have sat Westbrook the entire fourth quarter when it was clear his head was no longer in the game. It would have been a tough call considering Westbrook is capable of catching fire and putting pressure on the defense so quickly that you could be doing the team a disservice by having him sit. But tonight, if there ever was a night, might have been the exception. Eric Maynor was his same steady self, and probably could have easily done enough to help the Thunder get out of here with a win.
    •Maynor did, however, make a bonehead cross-court pass with eight seconds remaining that nearly cost the Thunder the game. It resulted in a Rudy Gay dunk and pulled the Grizzlies within two with five seconds remaining. It was Maynor’s only turnover of the night.
    •Fans seated immediately behind the Thunder bench who had an up close view of spat rode Westbrook the rest of the night. One front row fan I spoke with shortly after the incident called Westbrook a cancer. A fan seated a few rows back, talking to another fan, said the Thunder will never win a championship with Westbrook at point guard. I disagree with both of those statements, but that’s the type of reaction that came out of that scene and, fair or not, likely will continue to be spewed throughout the season.
    •At one point, security had to enter the stands to tell one fan who was riding Westbrook to settle down.
    •The altercation between Durant and Westbrook will overshadow a great win for the Thunder, which is now 3-0 for the first time in the franchise’s Oklahoma City era. This was a hard-fought victory against a talented team playing its home opener in front of a rowdy crowd.
    •For as poor of a performance as this was for Westbrook, he actually started the game with great poise and balance. He hit Serge Ibaka on a pick-and-pop for a jumper. He found a cutting Sefolosha under the basket for an easy deuce. And he drove and dished to Sefolosha for a 3. When he picked up his second foul with 4:45 remaining in the first quarter, though, it seemed to take him out of his rhythm and it went south from there.
    •Both teams shot below 32 percent in the first quarter, with Memphis shooting 4-for-21 (19 percent) in the period. The Grizzlies didn’t get their first field goal until Zach Randolph had a layup with 4:04 left in the period. They were 0-for-12 prior to that.
    •Here’s how funky of a first period it was. Sefolosha led all scorers with eight points. Sefolosha finished with…eight points.
    •Perkins and Nick Collison both got whistled for two fouls in the first five minutes. It led to Cole Aldrich making his season debut and making the most of it. But you wouldn’t know it from looking at Aldrich’s final line: zero points, zero assists, zero steals, one rebound, one blocked shot and one foul. But that block came against Marc Gasol on Aldrich’s first defensive sequence. Aldrich then won a jump ball against Gasol. And he hit the floor twice for loose balls. He also had a tap out that landed in the wrong hands but characterized how active he was in keeping plays alive.
    •Pargo, an undrafted rookie out of Gonzaga, had an opportunity tonight only because starting point guard Mike Conley sprained his ankle on the opening possession. He was helped off the floor 24 seconds in and did not return. Pargo scored 15 points on 6-for-13 shooting with seven assists, three rebounds, two steals and one turnover in 37 minutes.
    •Brooks said he told Westbrook in the last three minutes that he didn’t care how many shots he had missed. Brooks said he told Westbrook to “make a play to help us win.” And Brooks managed to find something Westbrook did well. “He set three great screens for KD,” Brooks said. “KD in the past had trouble getting that ball at the nail, and he got there because of Russell’s three great screens.”
    •The Thunder’s D was great tonight. There was some shooters left open, but the biggest problem was Memphis had way too many offensive rebounds. The Griz gobbled up 19, which led to 23 second-chance points and helped them outscored OKC 44-26 in the paint.
    •Lazar Hayward was active tonight and dressed for the first time. He had an injured thumb that had kept him sidelined. But keep an eye on him. We could see him crack the lineup at some point.
    •Daequan Cook is making things extremely tough on Hayward though. Cook continues to provide huge shots in big moments. He had nine points tonight, going 3-for-4 from deep, including two in the final nine minutes that helped the Thunder build a 12-point lead.
    •Perk is playing with a ton of confidence right now. When he drew a foul on Gasol in the first quarter, he strutted to the line saying to no one and everyone “Yeaaaah, it’s like that today.” A tad later, Perk elevated as high as I’ve ever seen him get and nearly posterized Josh Davis. All that was missing was a stronger finish.
    •A 7-year-old girl sang the national anthem tonight. I couldn’t take my eyes off of Maurice Cheeks as she made her way through it. I swear when she had a slight pause at one point Cheeks had a look on his face like “not again.” When she got through it cleanly, Brooks immediately pointed at Cheeks and laughed along with assistant Rex Kalamian about something. It had to be the same thing I was thinking.
    •Griz fans booed every player in the Thunder’s starting lineup during pre-game intros. Brooks even got booed.
    •Although Brooks said before the game that it’s too early to call the Thunder-Grizzlies a rivalry, James Hardensaid it has turned into just that. “Yeah, you can say that,” Harden said. “Two physical teams. Young teams. Every time we play against each other it’s like a very tough battle. We know it’s going to be a battle so both teams come in looking to do whatever it takes to win.”
    •I hate that I’ve gotten this far without mentioning Harden’s game. And if you stuck with me this long, you deserve a drink on me. But Harden was phenomenal. He had 20 points tonight in 30 minutes off the bench. He added seven boards and two assists while not turning it over a single time. This guy is destined to win the Sixth Man Award this year. Through three games, he’s averaging 18.3 points on 45.1 percent shooting. The guy hasn’t attempted more than 11 shots in any game. He’s gotten to the line 27 times, making 22, and has only three turnovers thus far. Where’s John Hollinger when you need him. Somebody tally Harden’s player efficiency rating and true shooting percentage and get back to me.
    •KD did something I loved on the first possession of the third quarter. He pushed Tony Allen to the floor while battling for positioning in the post. It’s something Durant learned during the playoffs last year. If he has a physical defender guarding him and the refs are letting him get away with it, he then has leeway to push back. What Durant did was clearly a foul, but it went uncalled. That’s going to be important for KD to have in his back pocket come playoff time.
    •Durant also pulled out the one-legged Dirk Nowitzki again tonight. He got Allen with it moments after the push-down possession. It is an absolute beautiful shot to witness live. And when you hear the ooohs and ahhhs from the crowd as it splashes through the net, you know everyone in the arena appreciates it, too.
    •Am I the only one who thought of this when KD hit that step-back tonight over Rudy Gay?
    •Here’s what Durant said before the game when asked about Allen’s D: “He’s just a gnat. He’s not a trash talker or anything like that. He just frustrates you by how hard he plays. Whenever he gets screened, he never gives up on the play and that’s the type of player you respect. He made me better that series last year. It kind of took me awhile to figure out how he was going to play me, but I figured it out over time.”
    •Durant had his right fingers being worked on by the medical staff between the end of the third and start of the fourth. He said he got banged up a little in practice the other day but is fine and added it’s not affecting him on the court.
    •Up next: Dallas on Thursday in the first of six TNT games for the Thunder.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  2. #2

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    I know I'm likely alone on this, but I honestly believe Westbrook is one of the worst BASKETBALL players in the league. It's a toss up of who I like least as a pg between he and Brandon Jennings.

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to croz24 For This Useful Post:


  4. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Age
    33
    Posts
    28,142

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    They need to trade Westbrook and fillers for Howard as soon as possible, I understand they are in love with their future but we live in the present, Durant/Howard could be as good as Shaq/Kobe.

  5. #4
    Since 1984 1984's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    1,815

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    PG - TBD
    SG - Hardin
    SF - Durant
    PF - Howard
    C - Perkins

    Holy crap.

  6. #5
    Pacers fan in FL Deadshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    FLORIDA
    Posts
    1,936

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    You'd play Howard at the 4????

  7. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Deadshot For This Useful Post:


  8. #6
    I'm on a MAC! graphic-er's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    7,450

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by croz24 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I know I'm likely alone on this, but I honestly believe Westbrook is one of the worst BASKETBALL players in the league. It's a toss up of who I like least as a pg between he and Brandon Jennings and Danny Granger.
    Fixed...
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to graphic-er For This Useful Post:


  10. #7
    Member MTM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Brentwood, TN
    Posts
    694

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Is this what good beat writing looks like? Wow - a lot of great information!

  11. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to MTM For This Useful Post:


  12. #8

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    No way Howard would agree to go to OKC.

  13. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Age
    33
    Posts
    28,142

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by MTM View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Is this what good beat writing looks like? Wow - a lot of great information!
    Yes I was like, is this supposed to be this long and with all this information?

  14. #10
    Member Sollozzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Indianapolis, IN
    Posts
    17,043

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by bphil View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    No way Howard would agree to go to OKC.

    He would be the biggest moron ever if he turned down a chance to play with Durant. Winning clearly wouldn't be his number 1 priority if he snubbed his nose at going there.

  15. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Sollozzo For This Useful Post:


  16. #11

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by bphil View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    No way Howard would agree to go to OKC.
    You must be joking. That team would be the favorites for the next ten years.

  17. #12
    Administrator Peck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    12,697

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    PG - TBD
    SG - Hardin
    SF - Durant
    PF - Howard
    C - Perkins

    Holy crap.
    My guess is that Perkins would have to be included in the deal and maybe even Ibaka. But I think if your OKC you still have to make that deal.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  18. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Age
    33
    Posts
    28,142

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Maynor, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, Howard could be pretty good team.

  19. #14
    Shooting for the Moon Day-V's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    SoBro
    Age
    26
    Posts
    4,307
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    I guess the question is whether Howard would sign with OKC as a Free Agent?


    I'm not sure that he would.

  20. #15
    NaptownSeth is all feel Naptown_Seth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Downtown baby
    Posts
    12,628

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-V View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I guess the question is whether Howard would sign with OKC as a Free Agent?


    I'm not sure that he would.
    Sure he would.

    And then Ray Allen would question his desire to win and wonder why he refused to join the Celtics if he really wanted a title shot.

  21. #16
    Member Drewtone's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Ottawa, CA
    Age
    45
    Posts
    508
    Mood

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by croz24 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    I know I'm likely alone on this, but I honestly believe Westbrook is one of the worst BASKETBALL players in the league. It's a toss up of who I like least as a pg between him and Brandon Jennings.
    Quote Originally Posted by graphic-er View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Fixed...
    Really fixed. You're welcome, Anthem...
    "I mean, you'd walk into our dressing room and run into Mel Daniels holding a .45 -- it makes you wonder."

    Bob Netolicky

  22. #17
    Member CableKC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    San Jose, CA ( 1123, 6536, 5321 )
    Age
    41
    Posts
    24,808

    Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    If the Nets aren't able to convince DWill to stay, they should consider trading him to OKC to play with KD while sending Westbrook to the Nets.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

  23. #18
    Release Psycho T pwee31's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    7,171

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Westbrook seems selfish. You're on a young team that's winning games. I think he just wants to be "the man" on a team.

    If he costs them in the playoffs this year, he'll be traded. I think OKC should be patient and not rush judgement, but it looks bad from the outside looking in

  24. #19
    Member PR07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,963

    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Maybe they wait a season, move Westbrook to the 2 and sign Steve Nash.

  25. #20
    Release Psycho T pwee31's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    7,171

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by PR07 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Maybe they wait a season, move Westbrook to the 2 and sign Steve Nash.
    Nah, he still wouldn't be happy. Could likely trade him for Rondo or a team that needs a young star in the lottery

  26. #21
    White and Nerdy Anthem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    23,741

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by Drewtone View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Really fixed. You're welcome, Anthem...
    My medications have been helping a lot... I let a "dominate" go in the other thread.
    Welcome to Pacers Digest! New around here? Here are three tips for making the forum a great place to talk about Pacers basketball.

    • Log in. Even if you want to read instead of post, it's helpful because it lets you:
    • Change your signature options. You can hide all signatures by choosing "Settings" (top right) then "General Settings" (middle left) and unchecking the box "Show Signatures" (in the "Thread Display Options" area).
    • Create an ignore list. I know it may seem unneighborly. But you're here to talk about the Pacers, not argue with someone who's just looking for an argument. Most of the regular users on here make use (at least occasionally) of the "Ignore" feature. Just go to "Settings" -> "Edit Ignore List" and add the names.

    Enjoy your time at PD!

  27. #22
    George Hill Apologist mattie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Age
    28
    Posts
    2,533

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    This is why I hate narratives. The media creates some false narrative out of thin air and everyone just rns with it. There is just no truth to any of the talk about Westbrook.

    Here's things that we know about Russ:

    *he's extremely emotional. Not necessarily a bad thing. The dude cares about winning more than normal. I personally get it- I was a very emotional player in highschool. Russ wouldn't be screaming at teammates if he didn't care.

    *He's a combo guard with a unique ability to score. Again, not a bad thing. Not the most ideal point guard, but no one should deny his ability to score.

    Thats it. The rest of the narratives about Russ are being pulled out of ESPN personalities' ********. Just try to think about it from your own perspective- If you were Durant, would you be angry at the second best player on your team for doing his best to help the team win?? No. If you were Durant would you be mad at Russ for relentlessly attacking the defense if that was his best skill? No. If you were Durant and Russ wasn't passing quite as much as he should, wouldn't that be taken care of in a simple comment, "hey russ, i think you're shooting a little too much, make sure you get me the ball" Yes.

    If anything, I'd assume that their differences in personalities is actually a good thing. Durant probably needs someone who is fiery like Russ playing with him every night. Isn't that a good thing?

    End the false narrative please. There's just no truth to it.

  28. The Following User Says Thank You to mattie For This Useful Post:


  29. #23
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Age
    23
    Posts
    520

    Default Re: Interesting reading from OKC's beat writer about tiff between Durrant & Westbrook

    Quote Originally Posted by PR07 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Maybe they wait a season, move Westbrook to the 2 and sign Steve Nash.
    Not a chance, eventually I think it will be, Perk/Ibaka/KD/Harden/Westbrook.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 84
    Last Post: 01-15-2010, 01:15 PM
  2. New Pacers beat writer
    By Unclebuck in forum Indiana Pacers
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-14-2005, 07:57 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •