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    A very good piece by Wells in today's paper about how Frank is adjusting his practice times and using tape sessions.

    Interesting that Foster re-injured the back during Bulls game. I really wonder how much time Jeff can put in. I think we are going to have to see Amundson soon, I just can't see him sticking with a three man rotation for to long in this shortened season.

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    Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel would like to practice for four hours on off days because he enjoys teaching basketball. But he knows putting his team through grueling practice sessions wouldn't be in the Pacers' best interest during a jam-packed 66-game season.

    "I recognize you can't do that so we have to do just the best we can," Vogel said.

    Practice time will be hard to come by during the first month of the season for the Pacers, who play at Toronto tonight.

    They have more than one day off between games just once -- Jan. 15-17 -- over the next six weeks. They also play six sets of back-to-back games during that stretch.

    "You just have to find that balance," Vogel said. "You have to learn a lot off of tape with one-on-one individual sessions with the coaches. You have to learn in the film sessions and you have to be (as) efficient as possible when you get out on the court."

    The Pacers on Tuesday talked about needing to improve on both ends of the court after the previous night's victory over the Detroit Pistons.

    They'll have to be creative because they routinely don't practice after back-to-back games. Vogel is thinking about reducing practice time even more to avoid fatigue early in the season.

    The Pacers play 15 of their next 21 games on the road.

    "Day-by-day we'll just get a feel for what our guys can handle and whether it's going to be productive or counterproductive," Vogel said. "You really have to make daily decisions on that."

    The Pacers want to use practice time to help newcomers David West and George Hill get comfortable playing with their teammates and work on their offensive chemistry.

    They beat the Pistons, who are expected to struggle this season, by defending and rebounding well.

    "You have to do it up top mentally when there's not a lot of practice time," West said. "We have to think about the good things (we did against Detroit), think about the bad things and we have to be looking to improve. If we continue to be unselfish and play together, the sky is the limit for this group."

    Vogel will use film sessions as a teaching tool without taking the court.

    "We have to really concentrate in film sessions," small forward Danny Granger said. "Sometimes that's tough with younger teams, but we know that's our next challenge, getting better without killing our legs. I've talked to players on teams that win every year and they have a lot more off time because they understand the game more and don't have to practice as much."

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    Veteran Jeff Foster (back) did not travel to Toronto so he could meet with Dan Dyrek, the team's physical therapist consultant. Foster, who has a history of back problems, re-injured it during the Dec. 20 preseason game at Chicago. He hopes to return to the lineup next week when the Pacers are on a four-game trip.

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    "You have to do it up top mentally when there's not a lot of practice time," West said. "We have to think about the good things (we did against Detroit), think about the bad things and we have to be looking to improve. If we continue to be unselfish and play together, the sky is the limit for this group."

    Vogel will use film sessions as a teaching tool without taking the court.

    "We have to really concentrate in film sessions," small forward Danny Granger said. "Sometimes that's tough with younger teams, but we know that's our next challenge, getting better without killing our legs. I've talked to players on teams that win every year and they have a lot more off time because they understand the game more and don't have to practice as much."
    Looking at first quote by DW & loving how his mentals must be rubbing off on the team - providing the unselfishness & serious prep vision. Just allows DG's efforts (2nd quote) to be that much more effective. Hill is having a similar effect I would imagine.

    Peck, yes of Amundson/Foster/Pendergraph, one of them seemingly has to start playing soon. If nothing else to get acclimated for when they are truly needed for legit minutes - injury, foul trouble, fatigue, illness, etc.
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    Not too worrisome I don't think. We knew he had issues coming in. I don't think Pendergraph's all that far off, so I expect him to play soon. Amundson once he had a little bit more time with the team, may be ready now.

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    I'm going to miss you Jeff F. but it's time to retire...!!! I think he hurt his back while clapping from the bench.
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    I'm not worried about Foster. He proved last year that he still has a lot left in the tank. He's at a stage where he should take it year to year though. It would be wise to use one of the open roster spots on another big man if the opportunity presents itself. What's the status on Stanko?

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    I'm not worried about Foster. He proved last year that he still has a lot left in the tank. He's at a stage where he should take it year to year though. It would be wise to use one of the open roster spots on another big man if the opportunity presents itself. What's the status on Stanko?
    Foster brought it in the playoffs very well. I hope he gets enough rest to allow him to do the same this year.

    About Stanko. I don't say this to belittle him, because I really don't know much about him, but I think THIS season the Pacers would be better served by having players with experience against the opponents the Pacers are going to face. Stanko does not have that. With the lack of practice time, I think this becomes more important than it might be in other (normal schedule) years.

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    Stupid decision by the Pacers in not having another 7footer just in case, everybody knew Foster wasn't going to make it for the whole season, they got Pendergraph for some reason and he is injured, if Roy gets hurt or in foul trouble we are screwed.

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    I'm going to miss you Jeff F. but it's time to retire...!!! I think he hurt his back while clapping from the bench.
    Really? A call for Jeff to retire already? What a surprise that it took someone so long to make such a suggestion. Hey, did you follow the team last season? Are you aware that, as much as many of them tried, it was nearly impossible for players to get into game-shape and meet with training personnel, including physical therapists, during the lockout? I guess not.

    Jeff played 15 and 18 minutes in the preseason games, the latter minutes skewed higher because Roy was in foul trouble, I believe. As more than one PD contributor pointed out, Jeff will be Jeff. He will do the things he does best, at a high level, but he will tweak the back every so often, especially after playing against Dwight, or consecutive nights, etc. and this goes with the territory. It is difficult to predict the future for any player's health, but most fans predicted this sort of thing about Jeff, and most certainly the front office and Frank Vogel did, and were willing to accept the risk and the rewards.

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    Really? A call for Jeff to retire already? What a surprise that it took someone so long to make such a suggestion.
    Absolutely! Thirteen seasons is far to quick to rush to judgement about whether a player should retire!

    OK, now on a serious note. I think there are some of us who would rather see Jeff retire than further injure his back, perhaps to the point of affecting him for the rest of his life. Chances are that may already have happened. Not to the point of crippling, but enough to give him pain for the rest of his life. If that were to happen it would be a terrible thing.

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    OK, now on a serious note. I think there are some of us who would rather see Jeff retire than further injure his back, perhaps to the point of affecting him for the rest of his life. Chances are that may already have happened. Not to the point of crippling, but enough to give him pain for the rest of his life. If that were to happen it would be a terrible thing.
    I'll trust Jeff and his doctors to know what the breaking point is for his back before a bunch of lunatics around here.

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    If you figure that with a Frontcourt Pf/C rotation of West/Hibbert/Hansbrough taking up 84 to 88 minutes, we would just need some combination of Foster/Amundson/Pendagraph to play between 8 to 12 minutes a game at the Backup Center spot. Id hope that between the 3 of them that they can adequately spell "Backup Center".
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    Yeah vnzla I don't know why you are making such a big stink about this. We're fine. Hibbert, Foster, Pendergraph, Amundson, and West can all eat up minutes at the center position. Is it ideal having West out there at center? No, not really, but how many centers in the league can truly make us pay for that?

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    Yeah vnzla I don't know why you are making such a big stink about this.
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    Yep I am going to hear about this for a long time .........but at least I like players that can actually play unlike some people hero

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    Yep I am going to hear about this for a long time .........but at least I like players that can actually play unlike some people hero
    No, you're hearing about it because it's relevant. You're nagging about us not having anyone big enough to play center. Who could we have signed that could have done that? Oh yeah, the guy you were in love with, Nene. I have a hard time believing those are unrelated issues.

    After that, what are you even talking about?

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    I really don't get the big stink about having to have two 7 footers. There are probably only 10 legit 7 foot starting centers in the league. That is why you are able to give guys like West, Lou, and Pendergraph minutes at the 5. It's not like every team has a Dwight Howard that we have to deal with.

    We'll be fine and I think we can drop the Nene talk too. I'm happy with West and his contract. Nene wasn't worth the money or the long term deal it would have taken.


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    Yep I am going to hear about this for a long time .........but at least I like players that can actually play unlike some people hero
    Not sure what that means, but some of us took a different approach to free agency. You were all about Nene at whatever the price was. You zeroed in on him and didn't care about anything else. Others (and I include myself in this group) were looking for upgrades at a good value. West wasn't my first choice, but at the price we got him at, I was thrilled. He's going to help the team, and while he might not be the slam dunk, best possible player we could have gotten, he was the best option we had within the parameters that our front office set up.

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    Not sure what that means, but some of us took a different approach to free agency. You were all about Nene at whatever the price was. You zeroed in on him and didn't care about anything else. Others (and I include myself in this group) were looking for upgrades at a good value. West wasn't my first choice, but at the price we got him at, I was thrilled. He's going to help the team, and while he might not be the slam dunk, best possible player we could have gotten, he was the best option we had within the parameters that our front office set up.
    I did not care about anything else? so I am talking about bringing a back up now and someway somehow this is Nene and West related? I am talking about possibly bringing Kaman or JP to back up Hibbert and you guys keep talking about Nene? wtf Nene has to do with all this?

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    Yeah vnzla I don't know why you are making such a big stink about this. We're fine. Hibbert, Foster, Pendergraph, Amundson, and West can all eat up minutes at the center position. Is it ideal having West out there at center? No, not really, but how many centers in the league can truly make us pay for that?
    The two guys I just highlighted are hurt so they don't count, that leaves Hibbert and Lou to play the center position and no I don't think West or Hans can play center either, that duo was decent in the offensive side but bad on the defensive side, so who are you going to play at center if Roy get's hurt or in foul trouble?

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    The two guys I just highlighted are hurt so they don't count, that leaves Hibbert and Lou to play the center position and no I don't think West or Hans can play center either, that duo was decent in the offensive side but bad on the defensive side, so who are you going to play at center if Roy get's hurt or in foul trouble?
    They don't count? What is this, third grade? Of course they count. Unless I've missed something, neither of them is going to miss a healthy chunk of the season. They are missing the first few games of the season against lousy opponents. Big deal.

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    They don't count? What is this, third grade? Of course they count. Unless I've missed something, neither of them is going to miss a healthy chunk of the season. They are missing the first few games of the season against lousy opponents. Big deal.
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    That's exactly the point I was making to you. Do you know for sure that they are missing a healthy chunk of the season? I don't know how long either of them will be out, but I haven't seen anything saying they will be out for a long period of time, and you usually hear something like that. Based on what I know (Foster has a back problem, Pendergraph has a knee problem?), they could be day-to-day issues, or longer term. If they are out for a chunk of the season, then I will start worrying about frontcourt depth. You, on the other hand, have jumped the gun and are already obsessing over it.

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    Do you know that for sure? link?
    Foster was listed as day to day before the decision was made to keep him home to work with his physical therapist. It's not like he is heading to Boston to seek help from the specialist again, though that is not an inconceivable event that could happen yet this year. Maybe if that happens, then people can start to scream that the sky is falling...But for now, Vogel will experiment to see who can provide some offensive rebounds when Roy sits down. My guess is that the West/Hans experiment will continue.

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