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Just how big of a move was signing David West?

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  • #61
    Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

    Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
    Plus like I've said before the low cost of living in Indianapolis makes a 10 million dollar contract in Indianapolis worth more than a 15 million dollar contract in NYC or Golden State.
    It does not cost $5 million more per year to live in NYC (or anywhere else) than Indiana.

    Cost of living does not affect the decisions of anyone making $10 million a year, nor should it.

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    • #62
      Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

      Big....Really Big!
      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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      • #63
        Originally posted by bphil View Post
        That's because the presence of a guy like West will keep him in line. Thanks for proving my point.
        nope, it was just a uninformed premature judgement, probably based on someone else's opinion you read about. Lance was a cocky kid with legal issues for which posters decided the rumors were fact. He is 20 and only a biased person would say anything he has done constitutes a cancer.

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        • #64
          Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

          i didn't know that much about david west prior to us signing him. but boy am i happy now that we did. he seems to have jelled very quickly, and all of the other pacers love him. being able to bring hansbrough off the bench is a huge plus, as well.

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          • #65
            Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

            Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
            I wanted West, but I didn't think there was any way he would come for less than 14 million per. I also didn't think it would be for 2 years, I was expecting 4. No way anyone would have told me that and I believed it. I would have said you were smoking something.

            When I saw the price and years, I knew we got a steal. It's awesome. I hope West is just as happy as we are.
            I wanted West as well, and thought he could be had for 9M to 10M. I was very excited that Bird was able to get him for only two years. IMO, the 2 years, even if some on here did not like West, should have been good enough to shut up the objections.

            I knew West was a good player around the basket and from mid-range. I know it's only based on the one game, but what I didn't know was how good of a communicator West is. I liked his body language and hand gestures when talking to a teammate during a couple of the breaks in action. He was not mad about mistakes they had made in defense, but was taking more of a mentoring posture (gesture) when talking with them.

            Someone early in the thread was talking about how West was getting mad at himself for missing shots. I read somewhere how West recognized himself as one of the stronger interior men in the league, and as such expected himself to score at point blank even while getting fouled. He apparently keeps track of his "and 1" percentage on close in shots and expects it to be high. So, only having played for 1-1/2 weeks since his injury, he is keeping track, but might be a bit hard on himself for missing the shots at this stage of his recovery.

            My early favorite for acquisition was Jason Thompson because he is a 4/5. I've wanted him for over a year because he fits a need and he would come relatively cheap. I didn't think we would be able to get our hands on one of the upper tier FAs. But once Bird talked about going hard after the best FAs with our cap money, I was all over West, above Nene and others. I just saw him as a better fit.
            Last edited by beast23; 12-28-2011, 03:17 AM.

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            • #66
              Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

              Here's a general question, but I noticed it because of West. I was sitting just across the court from the Pacers bench and West was clearly getting his arm hooked around the defender and turning to the hoop in the post. When did they stop calling this? Until yesterday it didn't hit me that I haven't seen that call in what feels like many years. It used to be something I saw called pretty regularly.

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              • #67
                Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                I think you're allowed to do it if you keep your arm tight and don't "swim" around your man by extending out the arm.

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                • #68
                  Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                  The pissing match over who liked who first, or who took the most crap for their stance is embarrassing and unbecoming. Nobody is wrong for liking Nene or Chandler, and nobody is wrong for liking West. The only thing that matters is West is a part of this team, and the others are not. The internet gloating and making people "eat crow" is pretty lame.

                  Go Pacers!

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                  • #69
                    Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                    [QUOTE=Freddie fan;1329662]
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                    The moderators should place a gold star on the avatars of those who first posted that the Pacers should sign David West.
                    Not that anyone will recall but I started what I am fairly certain was the longest West thread we had.

                    MY whole point was that his injury was a blessing in disguise for us in that it lowered his price range and gave the Pacers a better shot for a shortened discount. Which is *exactly* what happened.

                    Now I think I also said Tyler would be a worse pick then even Shawne Williams...

                    We can't be right all the time
                    I don't want to sound condescending, which means to talk down to you by the way

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                    • #70
                      Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                      Well I haven't visited much since the lockout so I'm not sure who likes who and who hates who, but we should just be very happy that West is has met/exceeded the expectations of most of the members of the forum, after 1 game.

                      However, we should just temper a bit of our expectations as this is just the first game. As happy as I am now, it is yet to determine in the long run how West will do for this team and how much will he contribute within 2 years. I remember before that many are very high on TJ Ford for his very solid production on the first few games (I remembered him getting almost a triple-double and many are sold at him being the all-star PG of the future for the Pacers).

                      IMO, getting West for a bargain should be a very big win for the Pacers. Currently, he's the only multiple All-star on the lineup, a key member of the NOH playoff teams, and has been a solid player missing only a few games until he got injured last season. No matter how you look at it, getting him at a good contract is one of the best moves of any team last offseason.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                        watching dwest play has made all of us giddy. that says more about the quality of the previous play of pacer bigs than west's play itself. nothing west does is special or spectacular, it is professional. we react to a professional just doing his job like he was moses parting the red sea.

                        that says more about the quality of the pacer bigs in the last 5 years than it does about the awesomeness of dwest. we've watched too many bigs that are unskilled, untalented or both. the pacers have had to play bigs who defend, but can't score. that can score but not defend. or can hustle but neither score or defend.

                        here's to the end of semi-skilled bigs. i, for one, am looking forward to seeing 5 guys that can play in B&G instead of 2 or 3.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                          I think we're a better team with West then without him and I'm glad he's part of this team. I also still think Nene would have been a better fit but when you look at the contracts that's not a fair comparison. It's possible to realize that we would be better off with a player that could play the 5 as well as the 4 and still be happy to improve the team with West.
                          I'll have to see a little more out of West and the entire team then a win against the Pistons to say it was a huge move to sign West.
                          Unless a deal comes up at the trade deadline that we just can't refuse, I think we have to play out the year with what we have, be happy, and continue to build on the core during the next off season. We still need another big man who's strength is in the paint and a pass first pg. I think we're one trade and one off season free agent signing away from being a title contender. That's a tall order to fill but I think Bird will do it.
                          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                            No one will ever know what having Nene would have meant to this team. With West the Pacers will be better. How much is yet to be determined. With Nene, the Pacers would be better also or it might have made the Pacers a beast in the east. Apparently Bird preferred Nene. He offered him more money. This whole discussion is moot. Here is where we are.
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                            • #74
                              Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Nene isn't as good as West and never will be that good of a basketball player. I always knew that, but I wanted a guy to set next to either Hibbert or Hansbrough without missing a beat. I don't think we get that with David, but I'm not complaining. West is more physical than I had expected. He's thicker and a lot stronger. So, I'm glad we have David West. I just don't think, at the highest level, he can play the C position. Not only due to the knee, but even if he were 100% healthy. Still, the man is a very, very good basketball player and I would probably conclude he is the best player on our team now.
                              I don't know, I really enjoyed that West-Hansbrough lineup when it was on the floor. There are always going to be certain match ups where you can't use it, but given the general lack of size in NBA centers these days, I'm not sure you can't get away with it most of the time.

                              Not to say I would want West starting at C or playing there full time, but in with the second unit? I think you can get away with it more often than not.
                              "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                              - ilive4sports

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                              • #75
                                Re: Just how big of a move was signing David West?

                                With West and Hill, the Pacers have the most talent they've had since 2005.

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