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    I am going to say it again, Tyler should be the starter, his defense and hustle is needed with Roy as the starting Center.


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    Hansbrough showing he's ready for whatever awaits

    Dec. 21, 2011 -- Starting is not in the cards for Tyler Hansbrough. As you might expect, that hasn't stopped him from going all-in every time he steps on the court.

    The brightest spot in the Pacers' two preseason losses to Chicago, Hansbrough led the team in minutes, scoring and rebounding in both games, averaging 21.5 points and 12.0 boards. Starting at power forward while David West gets acclimated to the team and regains his game legs, Hansbrough knows his days in the lineup are numbered.

    Once West is fully ready to go, Hansbrough will head to the bench. Make that the second unit. Hansbrough has little intention of sitting, regardless of role.

    "I don't plan on sitting on the bench," he said. "I think I have a lot to contribute to this team. I'm going to come out here and prove myself and hopefully we'll see what happens."

    What may evolve is the pairing of West and Hansbrough with some frequency, especially when matched up against the increasing number of teams that lack a traditional center. With Roy Hibbert struggling in Chicago Tuesday night, the two power forwards combined for 10 points in a 14-6 burst that cut an 18-point deficit to 76-66 late in the third period.

    Hansbrough finished that game with 24 points and 13 rebounds. West, making his first preseason appearance off the bench, played 15 minutes and had eight points and four rebounds.

    "I expect to come in here and play with David," Hansbrough said. "I think he's a good player to learn a lot from. He's been in the league a long time. He's a great addition to the team. Obviously, what he brings to the court is going to help us and makes our team that much deeper. Hopefully it will pay off and we'll get into the playoffs and make a better run."

    Though this is Hansbrough's third NBA season and he entered the league as a four-year college standout at North Carolina, he is far from a finished product. Injuries and health issues sidetracked his ability to prepare for each of the past two seasons.

    Once he found his rhythm in 2009-10, he began to emerge as a consistently productive force, starting the final 19 games and all five against the Bulls in the first round of the playoffs. In the 16 games when he played at least 30 minutes, Hansbrough averaged 19.7 points and 7.9 rebounds and shot .506 from the field.

    "This offseason has been particularly important to me because it's my first healthy offseason," Hansbrough said. "I've actually had time to train and prepare like I want to. I really worked on my left hand and my ability to make post moves and kind of expanded my range a little bit. I'm excited about it.

    "People say if you're a four-year guy you are what you are but the NBA is much different than college. There's so much of a learning curve. The game's different, it's played a lot different. There's things you have to learn and pick up on to really get a grasp and a feel for the NBA."

    Since West was signed, Coach Frank Vogel has maintained Hansbrough's role may change but his prominence within the rotation will not. In fact, he could be even more of an offensive focal point with the second unit, which needs scoring punch from the frontcourt. The other reserve big men -- Jeff Foster, Lou Amundson and Jeff Pendergraph -- all play with high energy but are not offensive threats.

    "He plays at one speed," Vogel said of Hansbrough. "From day one of training camp he didn't look like he was coming out of a lockout. He's got a motor like doesn't exist in this league. He's terrific."

    Whenever he enters a game, and whomever he joins on the floor, Hansbrough will play as he always has -- like every possession might be his last. And that quality, more than anything else, assures of him of a prominent role.

    "I feel like I've done some things here to prove my point that I can help us win," he said. "Whatever they see my role as, I'll do that and go from there."

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    If Tyler continues this type of production, only a moron would keep him on the bench. When a guy shows you that he can get 20 and 10 on a consistent basis, you have to put him on the court. If that means that it cuts into Roy's time, then so be it. Roy's stat sheet looked pretty anemic the first two games.

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    Just because he doesn't start doesn't mean it's because he's not important.

    This is what Tyler was going to bring in the first place. Energy, scoring, etc. off the bench.
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    Just because he doesn't start doesn't mean it's because he's not important.

    This is what Tyler was going to bring in the first place. Energy, scoring, etc. off the bench.
    Again is not about just starting is about who is the best fit to play next to Hibbert and that guy is Tyler, his hustle, rebounding and defense is need it next to Roy, we like or not Roy is a soft center and he needs a tough player next to him.

    Regarding West, I don't think he is as soft as Hibbert but he is for sure not as tough as Hansbrough, the ideal combination of players I think should be as follow:

    1st unit: Hill,PG,Danny,Tyler,Roy

    2nd unit: DC,Lance,DJ,West,Foster/Lou/Pendergraph.

    With the 1st unit you get a defensive minded point guard that could guard any starting point guard and can also control the tempo, Paul George could get more touches because DC would be on the bench.

    In the second unit our main guys would be DC and West, who knows maybe implement the same offense they were running in NO so they can kill teams in the pick and roll? As centers Lou and Foster would provided the hustle and defense that's need it in the second unit, again, we should have one hustle guy in the game at all times playing two non hustle players at the same time is not a good idea IMHO, the combinations should be Tyler/Roy, West/Foster, Tyler/West, West/Lou,Lou/Roy.
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    Tyler is my favorite Pacer right now. PERIOD.

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    At this point in their careers, Tyler is the better player. The better player should start. I also liked what I saw when Hansbrough and West were on the floor at the same time. They can play next to each other for spurts. Some posters led me to believe that was not possible, and I'm pleasantly surprised that Hansbrough can man the PF and West the center at times.

    Everyone says Hansbrough should be on the bench because we need a good bench. But that is a slap in the face to the best player on our team. Your best overall player starts, period. Would West not make a great 6th man backing up Hibbert and Hansbrough? Pretty damn good 6th man to me...

    Hansbrough has earned the starting spot. I don't think West will ever be able to outplay Hansbrough on this team. West is a new player and Hansbrough has not done a single thing to warrant pulling him as a starter in favor of a guy we just signed that is still learning and recovering from a very serious injury.

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    At this point in their careers, Tyler is the better player. The better player should start.
    Have to disagree. Your best players have to finish.....
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    Have to disagree. Your best players have to finish.....
    I should have said that because I was thinking he needs to be on the floor at the end of games. I just think he should start, get the starters minutes at PF, and finish the games.

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    As soon as we signed D West I told my wife the plan was for Tyler to come off the bench, but that they would have a hard time keeping him out of the starting lineup. We need Tyler's toughness in the starting rotation. Honestly how many guys in this league would rather guard Tyler than West?, I doubt nobody. Roy is a fake tough guy, we need Tyler out there to make up for Roy being a wussy. Sorry Hibbert fans but its the truth and this is coming from a Hibbert fan and was pulling for the Pacers to get him in the draft. 7'2 struggles to rebound and when he gets up against a great defender in Noah he disapears all together. If I was the coach I would put Tyler on one side and foster on the other side of Roy in practice and have them just pound the crap out of him until he learned to be a man. By the end of practice he would either be crying or ready to take a swing at someone.

    The key to are season is Hibbert and thats why I am so down on him because when he gets up against a competent defender who plays tough he does a dissapearing act.
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    You dont sign a 8 year Vet , with multiple All-Star apperences to a 10M a year contract to come off the bench

    I love Ty for everything he stands for (being counted against, written off etc) however that should not take place of what West has accomplished

    As was pointed out here, its no who starts, its who finishes

    I envision most situations will have Ty and West on the floor together in the final 5 minutes
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    6th Man candidate for sure if thats how Vogel plays it. Can a teams best player not be on the court at tip-off? I'd say its more important who finishes games than starts them. Manu didn't start, and he may have been the Spurs best player.

    I'd like to see what West is able to do for Collison. He hasn't really showed much in preseason yet.

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    Tyler is going to be our Ginobli (sp?). Arguably the best player on the team, but comes of the bench. I also believe that's a big reason SA was so good.

    Edit: Pretty much what Beezer said.
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    The key to are season is Hibbert and thats why I am so down on him because when he gets up against a competent defender who plays tough he does a dissapearing act.
    To be fair, Noah is one of the top tough defensive players in the game. Roy is going to have to progress this year but I think the first two games were a real challenge for him. From what I've watched, Hibbert struggles against Noah more than any other center, even Dwight Howard. Not that Noah is anywhere close to as good as Howard, it's just situationally, Noah seems to be the toughest match-up for Roy in the league.

    He is Roy's kryptonite. If Roy can ever consistently outplay Noah, Roy would be an All-star. Because if he could outplay Noah, he could outplay any center in the game one on one. So let's see what Roy does against the other centers not names Noah before we start for sure labeling him soft again this year. He could make strides over the year and finally outplay Noah a game this year. We will just have to wait and see. But I do expect to see him look much improved against softer defensive front courts, and that will be a building block for him.

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    You dont sign a 8 year Vet , with multiple All-Star apperences to a 10M a year contract to come off the bench

    I love Ty for everything he stands for (being counted against, written off etc) however that should not take place of what West has accomplished

    As was pointed out here, its no who starts, its who finishes

    I envision most situations will have Ty and West on the floor together in the final 5 minutes
    So say it becomes clear that West will never be what he was pre-ACL, and Tyler Hansbrough proves to be the best player on the team, he should still back-up West simply for what West did in the past on another team?

    JOB must have flawed the logic of a lot of people on this board. We owe West nothing. We just handed him 10 million dollars to play ball for one year. I really think West fits better as the 6th man because he can back-up both Hansbrough and Hibbert, and I just don't really see Hansbrough being able to back-up Roy other than situationally.

    I think we would be a better team with Hansbrough starting and West as the 6th man because West would be the best defender on the bench and he brings a star quality All-star caliber play to the bench. I think it would be an extreme luxury to bring West off the bench, more so than even Hansbrough because West has already earned his stripes with the officials. So that allows us an All-star veteran in Danny starting, and an All-star veteran in West coming off the bench.

    And I definitely could see Hansbrough and West on the floor together finishing a few games this year.
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    I think for the West supporters here (I'm included) the spacing will be better between Roy and David.
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    You dont sign a 8 year Vet , with multiple All-Star apperences to a 10M a year contract to come off the bench

    I love Ty for everything he stands for (being counted against, written off etc) however that should not take place of what West has accomplished

    As was pointed out here, its no who starts, its who finishes

    I envision most situations will have Ty and West on the floor together in the final 5 minutes
    Many teams sign former all stars to come off the bench, this wouldn't be the 1st or last time that happens, just because we pay the guy 10mil doesn't mean he should be the starter, if West is close to what he used to be before the knee issue he could help our bench to be one of the best benches in the NBA, he could be the main focus of the offense in the second unit and he would have a "garbage player" next to him at all times (Lou,Foster,Pendergraph)

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    Why would anyone assume Tyler is better than West unless they think he's injured? David will start, now or in a few weeks, and we won't look back unless there are injuries. And I really like Tyler.

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    Why would anyone assume Tyler is better than West unless they think he's injured? David will start, now or in a few weeks, and we won't look back unless there are injuries. And I really like Tyler.
    Is not really about who is better but is more about who is the best fit next to Roy, if Tyler keeps rebounding, playing D and hustling the same way he did against Chicago there should be no question about who is starting, now if Roy for some reason sucks, then you send him and Tyler to the bench and you start foster or Lou with West.

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    At this point in their careers, Tyler is the better player. The better player should start. I also liked what I saw when Hansbrough and West were on the floor at the same time. They can play next to each other for spurts. Some posters led me to believe that was not possible, and I'm pleasantly surprised that Hansbrough can man the PF and West the center at times.

    Everyone says Hansbrough should be on the bench because we need a good bench. But that is a slap in the face to the best player on our team. Your best overall player starts, period. Would West not make a great 6th man backing up Hibbert and Hansbrough? Pretty damn good 6th man to me...

    Hansbrough has earned the starting spot. I don't think West will ever be able to outplay Hansbrough on this team. West is a new player and Hansbrough has not done a single thing to warrant pulling him as a starter in favor of a guy we just signed that is still learning and recovering from a very serious injury.
    I could not have said it better. In basketball you are suppose to earn your starter's spot, not have it handed to you because of what you did last year or the year before, not based on past history. Yes, I also think it is a slap in Tyler's face and I suspect he feels it too. We do want to resign him when his present contract is up don't we? West at his age has peaked. I sure don't think Tyler has. That said the key is probably play them together as much as possible. That is the only solution to what may become a real problem otherwise with minutes. Don't develop a star player then lose him when his contract is up by the way you have treated him.

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    Why would anyone assume Tyler is better than West unless they think he's injured? David will start, now or in a few weeks, and we won't look back unless there are injuries. And I really like Tyler.
    I don't assume. I watch the game and draw conclusions. Hansbrough has been the best overall Pacer just about any time I turn on a game in the past year. There are a lot of things he brings to the floor that you can't measure with statistics either. He is a better rebounder and there is no question about that. Though West really is just about even with him defensively, and even better in certain instances, he just doesn't bring as much toughness, but he is still very tough.

    So maybe Tyler gets the edge defensively because he is still young and improving and has just a tad more energy and toughness, he is the far superior rebounder, and I really think he has a better mid range game than West will here. West played with Chris Paul, of course with CP3 drawing in the defense and hitting a wide open shot West he looks great offensively. He will not enjoy that luxury here as much I'm afraid.

    I don't just assume Tyler is the better player. He proved the first two preseason games he probably is the best player on our team. West looked okay, but he did not look near as good as Tyler. Sure West can improve once he gets comfortable. But to me saying West is better because of what he did pre-acl with a different team is making an "assumption" more than "assuming" Hansbrough is the better player. The first two games Tyler showed he will probably be our best player this year. I guess if West proves he is better than out best player that is a good problem to have.

    I'm just not going to "assume" West is better because of what he did in the past. We are in the here and now. Last night Hansbrough looked worlds ahead of West. Until that changes, I will continue to draw the same conclusion and I'm not going to "assume" West will be better until he steps out on the floor and proves it.

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    Some of you still don't seem to understand that the starting line-up isn't about putting your best 5 individual players on the court, it is about putting the best group of 5 players on the court. While Tyler might be better than West (way too early to tell, he has only played 1 game with this team after only 1 week of practicing with this team), that doesn't mean Tyler should start. You should start the players who as a group play better than any other group.

    vnzla81 if it is about who is the best fit next to Hibbert there is very little in the past to suggest that the person who fits best next to Hibbert is Tyler.

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    Folks this isn't high school basketball here. Yeah I know there are immature players who insist they've got to be starters. Your true professionals (like Tyler has demonstrated so far) will do what the team needs to win games. I wouldn't sweat the non starting too much.
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    Tyler is going to be our Ginobli (sp?). Arguably the best player on the team, but comes of the bench. I also believe that's a big reason SA was so good.

    Edit: Pretty much what Beezer said.
    If this is done in the right way with playing time, etc., I have no problem with it. Havlicek came off the bench for a long time too before ever starting. I am just saying in my posts treat Tyler fairly, don't just give his spot to someone else without them having to earn it, and right now it just seems the spot is being handed to West automatically.

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    I could not have said it better. In basketball you are suppose to earn your starter's spot, not have it handed to you because of what you did last year or the year before, not based on past history. Yes, I also think it is a slap in Tyler's face and I suspect he feels it too. We do want to resign him when his present contract is up don't we? West at his age has peaked. I sure don't think Tyler has. That said the key is probably play them together as much as possible. That is the only solution to what may become a real problem otherwise with minutes. Don't develop a star player then lose him when his contract is up by the way you have treated him.
    Thank you. Someone who has some respect for the "right way" to do things. Tyler has earned his starting spot. Until West outplays him and "earns" it, handing it to a new guy who hasn't earned anything on our team is disrespectful. Tyler earned that spot with blood, sweat, and hustle, and proving all the doubters wrong. He just averaged over 20 and 10 on the "best" defensive team in the NBA. It's laughable to me that people want to just hand West the job Hansbrough has earned.

    I also agree that we will see them on the floor together a lot so this argument is pretty pointless anyways. I think West would be fine being the 6th man on a contender getting 30 minutes a night backing up the PF and C. Hence why he signed here. He would be really cocky to think he should just be handed a guy of Hansbrough's caliber starting spot. I think he signed here knowing he could slowly play his way into the rotation and become more effective with time. Hansbrough spent all season busting his *** to get better, while West had to sit on his *** and recover from an ACL. It could take West til the end of the season to be in the same shape Hansbrough is in currently.
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    If this is done in the right way with playing time, etc., I have no problem with it. Havlicek came off the bench for a long time too before ever starting. I am just saying in my posts treat Tyler fairly, don't just give his spot to someone else without them having to earn it, and right now it just seems the spot is being handed to West automatically.
    Well this team has a recent history of just handing spots to players, from Collision to Hansbrough and George.

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