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    David West will be our backup Center.

    Like many of you I didn't think he could play center at all but looking at how he played Noah I am convinced that Vogels experiment of playing West at Center worked and worked better than most had expected.

    First and foremost he held his ground and didn't give Noah and inch. This is no small feat and on a number of occasions albeit limited to 15 minutes he rooted Noah out of rebounding position and was able to score on him in the low post.

    You guys can call me crazy but last night even if it was only one preseason game proved to me that David West will get a large chunk of the back up center minutes.

    Even if you look at the starting centers in the East who will West not be able to defend? Howard... sure but no one can guard him and who else? Bogut? Those are the only two that come to mind and I am perfectly fine trotting out Foster for those two.

    The fact is Tyler and David are just too good not to play 30 minutes a piece and the only way that happens is if David plays some center along with Tyler at pf and from what I saw from last night that is very doable as long as everyone stays healthy and West gets back to game shape.

    I have to give thanks for Vogel for actually playing West last night and to Bird for being a good president and landing us a guy like West. Christmas came early for me..

    Predictions... 5th seed in the East and second round playoff team if everyone stays healthy.
    Last edited by Gamble1; 12-21-2011, 11:51 AM.

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    Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

    I disagree. I think you are forgetting about Amundson and Pendergraph.

    West will be starting at PF soon, with Hans backing him up. Do I think West will get some minutes at back C? Yes. But not as many as you do.

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      Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

      Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
      I disagree. I think you are forgetting about Amundson and Pendergraph.

      West will be starting at PF soon, with Hans backing him up. Do I think West will get some minutes at back C? Yes. But not as many as you do.
      I didn't forget about them. I like those players but Amundson and Pendergraph all have very limited offensive games and thats why West will get the lions share of minutes at the backup Center position.

      You play the best players as long as they can handle the minutes and West is much better than those two.

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        Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

        Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
        David West will be our backup Center.

        Like many of you I didn't think he could play center at all but looking at how he played Noah I am convinced that Vogels experiment of playing West at Center worked and worked better than most had expected.

        First and foremost he held his ground and didn't give Noah and inch. This is no small feat and on a number of occasions albeit limited to 15 minutes he rooted Noah out of rebounding position and was able to score on him in the low post.

        You guys can call me crazy but last night even if it was only one preseason game proved to me that David West will get a large chunk of the back up center minutes.

        Even if you look at the starting centers in the East who will West not be able to defend? Howard... sure but no one can guard him and who else? Bogut? Those are the only two that come to mind and I am perfectly fine trotting out Foster for those two.

        The fact is Tyler and David are just too good not to play 30 minutes a piece and the only way that happens is if David plays some center along with Tyler at pf and from what I saw from last night that is very doable as long as everyone stays healthy and West gets back to game shape.

        I have to give thanks for Vogel for actually playing West last night and to Bird for being a good president and landing us a guy like West. Christmas came early for me..

        Predictions... 5th seed in the East and second round playoff team if everyone stays healthy.
        I agree, I think there will be plenty of times that the pacers can have Hans and West at the same time. All depends on the other team, if the other team's center is not a huge offensive threat, then I think that David can be utilized effectively.
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          Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

          Center minutes: Hibbert 30, West 18

          Forward minutes: West 14, Hansbrough 28, Amundson 6

          Give or take

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            Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

            as long as west gets significant minutes.... I'm fine with wherever he plays

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              Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
              David West will be our backup Center.

              Like many of you I didn't think he could play center at all but looking at how he played Noah I am convinced that Vogels experiment of playing West at Center worked and worked better than most had expected.

              First and foremost he held his ground and didn't give Noah and inch. This is no small feat and on a number of occasions albeit limited to 15 minutes he rooted Noah out of rebounding position and was able to score on him in the low post.

              You guys can call me crazy but last night even if it was only one preseason game proved to me that David West will get a large chunk of the back up center minutes.

              Even if you look at the starting centers in the East who will West not be able to defend? Howard... sure but no one can guard him and who else? Bogut? Those are the only two that come to mind and I am perfectly fine trotting out Foster for those two.

              The fact is Tyler and David are just too good not to play 30 minutes a piece and the only way that happens is if David plays some center along with Tyler at pf and from what I saw from last night that is very doable as long as everyone stays healthy and West gets back to game shape.

              I have to give thanks for Vogel for actually playing West last night and to Bird for being a good president and landing us a guy like West. Christmas came early for me..

              Predictions... 5th seed in the East and second round playoff team if everyone stays healthy.
              I was just getting ready to start a thread entitled, "Did Bird Make a Mistake With West?" when I saw your thread and since we are covering much the same ground I will integrate my thoughts here rather than on another thread.


              Does anyone else see a problem developing like I do? I don't think there is anyone on this forum who would argue against the fact that Tyler was by far our best player in these 2 preseason games. He has shown tremendous improvement over last year. That spin move early in the first quarter where he ended up being fouled was a thing of beauty and the man can draw fouls and hit them. I do not see how this team is going to win unless Tyler is getting 30 to 36 minutes a game. Now we have West who is also going to need his minutes but they are playing the same position. How are you going to work that out?

              It is beginning to look to me like Bird made a mistake and upgraded maybe the strongest position on the team not realizing the kind of development Tyler was going to make over the summer and now it is too late. If Tyler plays like he has West is not a bit better than Tyler and right now not as good (yeah, I know injury). It is beginning to look to me like Tyler and McRoberts could have handled the power forward position just fine and if the preseason is any indication the upgrades were needed elsewhere far worse and the money could have been spent there with better results for the team. We have some guys on this team that need to get their act together fast. If I am Bird I am still shopping for some players but it is late, probably too late.

              Finally, if it is said it is preseason and guys don't get excited about putting out and winning games I say this was not a normal preseason and besides I don't want players on my team that are not trying with all their might to win preseason or on the playground.

              (I add I think West is going to do fine for us but that does not resolve the problem. Can you play them both at the same time? That is what is going to have to happen to get Tyler sufficient minutes or else we are going to have a problem. Just one man's opinion. You are entitled to yours so don't get mad.)

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                Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                Originally posted by PacerHound View Post
                I was just getting ready to start a thread entitled, "Did Bird Make a Mistake With West?" when I saw your thread and since we are covering much the same ground I will integrate my thoughts here rather than on another thread.


                Does anyone else see a problem developing like I do? I don't think there is anyone on this forum who would argue against the fact that Tyler was by far our best player in these 2 preseason games. He has shown tremendous improvement over last year. That spin move early in the first quarter where he ended up being fouled was a thing of beauty and the man can draw fouls and hit them. I do not see how this team is going to win unless Tyler is getting 30 to 36 minutes a game. Now we have West who is also going to need his minutes but they are playing the same position. How are you going to work that out?

                It is beginning to look to me like Bird made a mistake and upgraded maybe the strongest position on the team not realizing the kind of development Tyler was going to make over the summer and now it is too late. If Tyler plays like he has West is not a bit better than Tyler and right now not as good (yeah, I know injury). It is beginning to look to me like Tyler and McRoberts could have handled the power forward position just fine and if the preseason is any indication the upgrades were needed elsewhere far worse and the money could have been spent there with better results for the team. We have some guys on this team that need to get their act together fast. If I am Bird I am still shopping for some players but it is late, probably too late.

                Finally, if it is said it is preseason and guys don't get excited about putting out and winning games I say this was not a normal preseason and besides I don't want players on my team that are not trying with all their might to win preseason or on the playground.

                (I add I think West is going to do fine for us but that does not resolve the problem. Can you play them both at the same time? That is what is going to have to happen to get Tyler sufficient minutes or else we are going to have a problem. Just one man's opinion. You are entitled to yours so don't get mad.)
                so ur basing ur decisions on 2 preseason games where david west has only played 15 minutes in one game against one of the best defenses in the league?

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                  Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                  Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                  Center minutes: Hibbert 30, West 18

                  Forward minutes: West 14, Hansbrough 28, Amundson 6

                  Give or take
                  So Foster is not going to play at all? I'm going to have to go with a big disagree on that one.
                  DG for 3

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                    Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                    It seems like you're probably onto something with this. Tyler is a heckuva ball player, but West is too. Put them both out there together for significant minutes, and that's a tough frontcourt to defend.

                    I do, however, feel like upgrading at the PF spot was not as imperative as the SG spot. Once Vogel took over last year, I thought Tyler really made a big jump and showed that he would be a capable, if not very good starting PF in the NBA.
                    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                      Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                      Originally posted by PacerHound View Post
                      It is beginning to look to me like Bird made a mistake and upgraded maybe the strongest position on the team not realizing the kind of development Tyler was going to make over the summer and now it is too late.[/SIZE][/FONT]
                      Might need to give Bird the benefit of the doubt that West was the only major acquisition he could legitimately pull off. And he did it with a great contract.

                      If that's true, then he has put us in a great position: we either find a way to utilize both players on the floor or we trade one of them while their stock is way up for a more strategic piece.

                      My personal beef is that we did not go after Billups. I would have thrown up to $10 million to get him. He is exactly what we need to play at the next level, even if just for a year or two.
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                        Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                        As of right now, after the last 2 preseason games if Tyler keeps playing like he did in those games, you can't keep Tyler off of the floor. I say Tyler gets around 30 minutes a game. If West play center or whatever we will have to wait and see.

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                          Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                          I'd still say the "wing position" is our strongest position.

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                            Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                            96 minutes a game for bigs...

                            West 30
                            Hansbrough 30
                            Roy 24
                            And the rest based on matchup for a 4th big. Foster when we need him, or he feels good. Lou or JP (when healthy) otherwise.
                            "man, PG has been really good."

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                              Re: Calling my shots...David West is our..

                              who cares as long as we win?

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