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Brandon Rush traded to Golden State for Lou Amundson

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  • #76
    Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

    Lou is a hustler, but that's it.

    I can't believe this trade. Lou is barely in the NBA, the Warriors are loaded at guard and just drafted Klay Tompson. It doesn't add up. Certainly we could've gotten more from Rush. Maybe a pick is included?

    I always assumed Brandon would wind up in Phoenix.

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    • #77
      Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

      Originally posted by Ratking View Post
      I think people will change their minds about Louis when they see him go up against the likes of Noah and Boozer. He won't get pushed around on the glass. He has Tyler and Jeff's hustle, but with much better athletecism. He can get UP. Great rebounder and shot blocker. Offensively, he looked his best with someone like Nash setting him up. Unless one of our guards can take advantage of his around-the-basket athletecism with good set-ups, he won't give us anything offensively.

      I think Rush was just going to get lost in our current lineup. Looking at some of his boxscores from last year, he had some great games in the first half of the season. With George and Hill, and Lance developing though, I just don't see where he would get his minutes. At least with Amundson he would provide us some great low-post defense when our starter's are slacking. Guys like that inspire defense in their teammates.

      Amundson was a game-changer with the Suns in the playoffs. Every team was looking at him back then. A few years later, he is under the radar, but brings the same things to the table.
      Agreed.

      He got lost in GS's lineup, but a few years ago he was very highly coveted, and the Pacers were right there in the mix trying to get him.

      You're entirely correct though. He's a guy that you put in and won't get pushed around by anybody. He's very limited, but he's tough.

      Carlos Boozer's worst nightmare = Hansbrough/Amundson
      Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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      • #78
        Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        ?? He clearly is our best backup SG IMO and if Hill goes down now were
        No hes not. George Hill is. And like i said, id be surprised if we didnt bring in another sg, one who can score. I bet Bird has something worked out for a sg and this kept a spot open while getting a back up big like we need.

        I mean seriously, its brandon rush... i dont want him to be our back up sg.

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        • #79
          Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

          I'm really confused by this thread. in re the negativity.

          As of yesterday, most wanted brandon gone.

          Lou is better, imo, than we're giving him credit for.

          Brandon was worse than some are giving him credit for (His defense... Really? He was decent but inconsistent at best.)

          Lance fans should be cheering because now he's got more of a shot for more minutes..

          Paul George and George Hill will now share the bulk minutes at the 2 guard spot.

          We're more aggressive up front.

          We still have a bunch of cap space and flexibilty.

          I don't see much negative in this.

          Any other source for this, by the way? This seems pretty tenuous.

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          • #80
            Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

            Originally posted by imawhat View Post
            Lou is a hustler, but that's it.

            I can't believe this trade. Lou is barely in the NBA, the Warriors are loaded at guard and just drafted Klay Tompson. Certainly we could've gotten more from Rush. Maybe a pick is included?

            I always assumed Brandon would wind up in Phoenix.
            Jackson is preaching defense and yes they have a lot of scoring wings not one of them is a good man defender like Brandon. Monta and Steph are good at playing the passing lanes and getting steals but they arent good defenders and Klay will likely be poor to average. Rush is clearly there best wing defender if this goes down and they basically got him for a 15mpg energy big who has no skill and gives you what a dleaguer could. Great trade for GS though they get there best defender for a guy who would of played 0 minutes this year with all the bigs GS has now.

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            • #81
              Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

              This guy is apparently the Warriors beat writer, and is saying it's completely done now. He's also saying it's a straight up 1 for 1 deal.

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              • #82
                Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                It makes basketball sense but not with personnel. I guess they could play Brandon at SF.

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                • #83
                  Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                  The trade really doesn't make sense to me for GS.

                  IMO, you only bring in Rush if you feel that Klay really isn't ready, which I haven't thought at all.
                  Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                  • #84
                    Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                    Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                    The trade really doesn't make sense to me for GS.

                    IMO, you only bring in Rush if you feel that Klay really isn't ready, which I haven't thought at all.
                    They have 6 bigs Lou is the worst they dont have a defender at the wing it makes perfect sense for them.

                    Brandon might only play when they play elite guys like Wade or CP3 or whoever. Playing time doesn't matter you are trading a guy who was gonna get 0 minutes this year anyway in Lou. They are filling a need.

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                    • #85
                      Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                      Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                      I understand completely.

                      Still, I just think Rush is too overvalued. He's simply not worth all of PD having a tizzy over. He's never been that important to this team that people should start freaking out over him getting traded for a guy like Amundson.

                      But back to Amundson. He's a guy who's comfortable in doing what's asked of him, which is why I really liked him. He knows his only job is to get under guys skin, play tough D, and clean the glass on both ends and get his teammates extra shots. There's nothing to not like about him.

                      BTW Kuq_e_Zi91, this post wasn't directed at you. I was just quoting yours agreeing that we could've gotten Reggie Evans via FA without losing Rush
                      I agree about Amundson. I know I'll grow to love his hustle. As a fan, really all you can ask for is a player who leaves it all on the floor for your team. That's Lou. And like I mentioned before, he's a good fit for our smash-mouth style. The problem is, that's about the only pro to this trade. I'm not even sure we needed to get more aggressive in the post. We just needed another big body, and that's not Lou.

                      As for Rush, his real value to this team was on the defensive end, his three point shooting, and keeping Dahntay off the floor. I just think we'll miss all three, though I think, or I should say I hope, Hill can make up for most of the first two.
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                      • #86
                        Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                        He reminds me of Mark Madsen
                        "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                        • #87
                          Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                          Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                          It makes basketball sense but not with personnel. I guess they could play Brandon at SF.
                          They play a lot of small ball. They used to play Stephen Jackson at PF
                          "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                          • #88
                            Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            They have 6 bigs Lou is the worst they dont have a defender at the wing it makes perfect sense for them.

                            Brandon might only play when they play elite guys like Wade or CP3 or whoever. Playing time doesn't matter you are trading a guy who was gonna get 0 minutes this year anyway in Lou. They are filling a need.
                            Dominic McGuire is a pretty good defender at the wing, but I agree that Rush is better.
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                            • #89
                              Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                              Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                              It makes basketball sense but not with personnel. I guess they could play Brandon at SF.
                              Brandon has the size to play SF.

                              I think from Golden State's perspective, its about getting a wing that can actually DEFEND on that roster. Its a good move for them. Rush needed a change of scenery.

                              Picking up Admunson was a good move for us. We needed another big. Good for both teams, good for Brandon. The fan base here were pretty much at the point of hating him for no reason anyway.

                              I've always liked Brandon and think he can be a really effective backup wing who defends and spreads the floor, Now that we have Paul George, Stephenson, and George Hill though... it makes sense to move him.
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                              • #90
                                Re: rush traded to Warriors for lou amundson? Maybe?

                                There is no break for the opponents if we have sweet Lou, Tyler, Pendergraph and Jeff. Hands down, that's the scrappiest front court I've ever seen. I actually feel bad for Roy and West, having to go up against these guys in practice. It could be good for Roy.

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