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    Good deal. Nobodys asking Amundson to play big minutes, but he's there if you need him.

    Best for both parties. I trust Larry will shore up that backup 3 spot as well
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    Good deal. Nobodys asking Amundson to play big minutes, but he's there if you need him.

    It'll be a big relief for Foster. Allows him to rest up on the 2nd night of back-to-backs. Allows him to be more fresh come playoff time.

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    I loved Amundson when he was with the Suns. I don't know where his game has gone since then, but he will contribute more to the team than rush.

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    ?? He clearly is our best backup SG IMO and if Hill goes down now were
    I feel far more comfortable in the back court than I do up front. God help us is Roy rolls an ankle.

    Hill, Jones & hell even Price can fill in at the backup 2.

    Up front we have Roy, the 50 year old Jeff Foster & who?

    I've seen Lou play many times and he is more than capable of playing the backup center spot.

    Remember guys backup centers in the NBA aren't all 7' 280lb monsters, most of them are either lanky power forwards or as in Lou's shorter but stronger players.

    He is not going to make or break our team, but then again neither was Brandon and obviously the front office has been doing everything in their power over the past two seasons to all but give this guy away.


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    Yea, but lets be honest, fan support isn't why you trade a guy. especially when, as you said, he's more irrelevant than "hated"

    personally, I think he's not as good as people thought he could be. And he's been getting bad advice. (Drive to the basket more...he's not a good ball handler..and he doesn't like to get hit...not exactly a great combo to be encouraging to drive to the basket..especially when he's such a good shooter.)
    This! Again fans over expect there own player. Not every player is gonna be a star or even a starter you need to have role players and Rush was a very good one. A guy who plays great defense and gives you 8ppg and will knock down an open jumper he never should put the ball down on the floor that isnt his game. He should either come off screens or be the corner option like a Bruce Bowen.

    I can tell you one thing come playoff time we are gonna miss him. If we have to face the Heat or really any team with decent perimeter players we are gonna suffer from not having an extra body to throw at them in Rush. Micheal Redd will have to do instead : puke: or maybe Lance would have to guard Rip Hamilton Or better yet Danaty who will be a black hole on offense (and thats just being nice) with not as good of defense. I am not taking into account the possibility of an injury. Just this trade.

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    Remember guys backup centers in the NBA aren't all 7' 280lb monsters, most of them are either lanky power forwards or as in Lou's shorter but stronger players.

    Was watching some old Pacers/Knicks games from the 90's a few days ago. There were times where they'd have AD covering Ewing. AD was 6'9, 215. Held his own.

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    I never thought i would see the day where i saw people complain about trading brandon rush.
    Well I like Brandon's game. The last thing the team needs is Jones doing his black hole. It's ironic to me that people want a non-aggressive offense player to be aggressive when it comes at the expense of - Granger, Roy, West, George, Tyler, Collison and Hill who should all be doing the bulk of the scoring.

    Oh no, if Brandon only scores 6 then how can the other 7 guys scoring more than him on average carry the team. I don't know how we can win with 18, 16, 16, 14, 12, 10, and 10 coming each night from those guys. That's 96 points there. Say I overstated Roy by 1 or 2 PPG, maybe Hill or DC are more like 8-9 per night. That's still in the high 80s so that the 4-6 a night you get from Foster, Rush and Pendergraph more than cover the rest.

    Or you can have Jones actually take 4-6 points FROM another Pacer while not scoring himself.


    I'm not even a Lance believer, but I'd rather see the ball in Lance's hands trying to create for someone else.



    Mayo I'd take because you'd change Hill's role and shift some of his points to Mayo to get to 10-12 from the backup SG.

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    This! Again fans over expect there own player. Not every player is gonna be a star or even a starter you need to have role players and Rush was a very good one. A guy who plays great defense and gives you 8ppg and will knock down an open jumper he never should put the ball down on the floor that isnt his game. He should either come off screens or be the corner option like a Bruce Bowen.

    I can tell you one thing come playoff time we are gonna miss him. If we have to face the Heat or really any team with decent perimeter players we are gonna suffer from not having an extra body to throw at them in Rush. Micheal Redd will have to do instead : puke: or maybe Lance would have to guard Rip Hamilton Or better yet Danaty who will be a black hole on offense (and thats just being nice) with not as good of defense. I am not taking into account the possibility of an injury. Just this trade.
    I mean I guess you certainly are entitled to your opinion I guess I just never new you thought this highly of Rush.

    Look at it like this, maybe out there he can get a fresh start.

    To me I just don't care enough about Brandon Rush to really care. On the other hand if you go back over the past three seasons you will see where I have been trying to get Lou here.

    Yes, I am well aware of his weaknesses but what he brings is something that I think we still lack a little bit of.


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    There were times where they'd have AD covering Ewing. AD was 6'9, 215.

    Huh?
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    Some of you (me included) wanted Reggie Evans. Amundson is the same exact player. No offensive game whatsoever, cant shoot FT's, but a good rebounder and a pretty good defender.

    For the limited minutes he'll get, I like this deal.

    Talk about tenacious. Hansbrough, Foster, Amundson, Pendergraph
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    Huh?
    Antonio played minutes at Center, and he was 6'9, 215 pounds. Am I speaking Spanish?
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    I feel far more comfortable in the back court than I do up front. God help us is Roy rolls an ankle.

    Hill, Jones & hell even Price can fill in at the backup 2.

    Up front we have Roy, the 50 year old Jeff Foster & who?

    I've seen Lou play many times and he is more than capable of playing the backup center spot.

    Remember guys backup centers in the NBA aren't all 7' 280lb monsters, most of them are either lanky power forwards or as in Lou's shorter but stronger players.

    He is not going to make or break our team, but then again neither was Brandon and obviously the front office has been doing everything in their power over the past two seasons to all but give this guy away.
    But Peck, this is what makes it all so aggrevating, it's activity for the sake of it.

    Frontline depth - hey, um, you could have just spent about the same amount and kept Josh here. Surely he's as functional and useful as the Amundson in total, if for no other reason than he's not undersized and has a great vertical. And we know that he has great passing and was IMO the best screen/pick guy on the team (Jeff is Mr. Moving Screen, Tyler avoids contact because he's clearing for his own shot).

    Then just keep Rush and go from there. They know the team, they were starting to know Vogel's system (certainly as much as any other player), and considering the abbreviated pre-season it goes a long way to keep your roster intact and familiar.


    And haven't the Lakers and Warriors told us that there is some truth to this, that these players do have value? This isn't a stat trick because both players spent large portion of time in the JOB doghouse and have NOT put up huge "gimmick" numbers ala Troy where a team might be tricked into thinking someone is better than they are.


    If anything your best shot to lure someone into over trading is to use the idea of DJones to get someone looking for wing defense to chase him for a deep bench big instead. Or maybe the Warriors know what we know.

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    Huh?
    He's listed 6'9 and 215 in a lot of places. 6'9 and 245 in others.

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    Some of you (me included) wanted Reggie Evans. Amundson is the same exact player. No offensive game whatsoever, cant shoot FT's, but a good rebounder and a pretty good defender.

    For the limited minutes he'll get, I like this deal.

    Talk about tenacious. Hansbrough, Foster, Amundson, Pendergraph
    I did too. But that's a free agent signing, which we have more than enough money for. We wouldn't give up Rush, and thus give Dahntay more time to find the self-destruct button for whatever momentum our starters establish.

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    This! Again fans over expect there own player. Not every player is gonna be a star or even a starter you need to have role players and Rush was a very good one. A guy who plays great defense and gives you 8ppg and will knock down an open jumper he never should put the ball down on the floor that isnt his game. He should either come off screens or be the corner option like a Bruce Bowen.
    The problem isn't expecting more than what the payer turns out to be, but not accepting the player for what he is once you realize he isn't going to be what you want. Hell, I thought Brandon could be better and more complete player than Granger. Once I realized that wasn't going to happen, I accepted it and adjusted my expectations for what role he should be playing, instead of letting my disappointment turn into a dislike for him.

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    Antonio played minutes at Center, and he was 6'9, 215 pounds. Am I speaking Spanish?
    I believe he is questioning the 215 part of this. Tony was way more like 235 or 245.


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    But Peck, this is what makes it all so aggrevating, it's activity for the sake of it.

    Frontline depth - hey, um, you could have just spent about the same amount and kept Josh here. Surely he's as functional and useful as the Amundson in total, if for no other reason than he's not undersized and has a great vertical. And we know that he has great passing and was IMO the best screen/pick guy on the team (Jeff is Mr. Moving Screen, Tyler avoids contact because he's clearing for his own shot).

    Then just keep Rush and go from there. They know the team, they were starting to know Vogel's system (certainly as much as any other player), and considering the abbreviated pre-season it goes a long way to keep your roster intact and familiar.


    And haven't the Lakers and Warriors told us that there is some truth to this, that these players do have value? This isn't a stat trick because both players spent large portion of time in the JOB doghouse and have NOT put up huge "gimmick" numbers ala Troy where a team might be tricked into thinking someone is better than they are.


    If anything your best shot to lure someone into over trading is to use the idea of DJones to get someone looking for wing defense to chase him for a deep bench big instead. Or maybe the Warriors know what we know.
    You know I'd rather have kept Josh myself, that just never made sense to me either. But for whatever reason the fron office didn't even offer him a contract so I guess they wanted to move in a different direction.


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    Brandon was a victim (rightly or wrongly) of expectations. In his rookie year he had a stretch where he avg. almost 16 points a game, played a high level of defense & was very active on the floor.

    This started to get everybody thinking that we had found Danny's sidekick.

    It never happened. For whatever reason, be it Brandon, be it the system, be it JOB, whatever it just never happened.

    I hate to break this term out but frankly often times Brandon was irrelevent to the team. In other words if he played, fine. If he didn't play that night, well that was fine to as most people didn't miss him. In fact you could say a lot of people did miss him when he was on the court as often times you would forget he was there.

    I know some will argue that was by design of the old coach. Maybe, I don't know though.

    At best he was going to be the 9th or 10th man this season.

    Maybe a fresh start for him will help as well. He can go to a system where he won't need to score so there won't be the pressure from the fans and front office for this.
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    nothing in his rookie year indicates to me he would be a great scorer. A run at the end of the season likely due to 85% of the teams tanking at the time and not playing hard.

    I guess he had 2 nice games back to back in his 8 games of scoring double digts streak. I guess I never viewed Rush as a scorer even at Kansas. I viewed him more of a guy who does a little bit of everything can shoot from distance had a decent shot off one dribble. But I never though Rush would be a guy who can score whenever he wants he couldn't really take his man off the dribble in college so I didnt think he would be able to in the NBA. He was a very smart player and very efficient I liked that about him. However I did think Bayless could take his man off the dribble in college and though he would be able to in the NBA but he also didn't play a lick of defense and didn't have a position.


    I just think Brandon is a smart guy and knows his game and knows his limitations which is why he is so timid.(this is a great trait to have IMO)

    I just feel fans give him a raw deal because they didnt watch him before and didn't know his game so they expect something entirely different than they get Rush is not a scorer period and he knows it.


    I believe a deal is in the works because I watched GS play tonight everyone played but him. Hell one Dleaguer got rotation minutes over him. Also Jackson cleared the bench with 2 mintues left and they said everyone played. And he isnt hurt I watched their open practice the other day and he played.
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    I believe he is questioning the 215 part of this. Tony was way more like 235 or 245.
    Ah, gotcha. Well, I don't know what exactly the case it there. Basketball-Reference and DraftExpress have him at 215, but CBS and NBA.com have him at 245.

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    Should have re-signed McRoberts............

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    Ah, gotcha. Well, I don't know what exactly the case it there. Basketball-Reference and DraftExpress have him at 215, but CBS and NBA.com have him at 245.
    If he was 215 he would have been one skinny dude at 6'9.

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    I did too. But that's a free agent signing, which we have more than enough money for. We wouldn't give up Rush, and thus give Dahntay more time to find the self-destruct button for whatever momentum our starters establish.
    I understand completely.

    Still, I just think Rush is too overvalued. He's simply not worth all of PD having a tizzy over. He's never been that important to this team that people should start freaking out over him getting traded for a guy like Amundson.

    But back to Amundson. He's a guy who's comfortable in doing what's asked of him, which is why I really liked him. He knows his only job is to get under guys skin, play tough D, and clean the glass on both ends and get his teammates extra shots. There's nothing to not like about him.

    BTW Kuq_e_Zi91, this post wasn't directed at you. I was just quoting yours agreeing that we could've gotten Reggie Evans via FA without losing Rush
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    I've said before..I like Dahntay...I just think his best role is cheerleading on the bench (which he is awesome at..) But I think Hill is your primary backup 2 guard now.
    Who is going to be the primary backup point then? It's not going to be Lance or Price.

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    I think people will change their minds about Louis when they see him go up against the likes of Noah and Boozer. He won't get pushed around on the glass. He has Tyler and Jeff's hustle, but with much better athletecism. He can get UP. Great rebounder and shot blocker. Offensively, he looked his best with someone like Nash setting him up. Unless one of our guards can take advantage of his around-the-basket athletecism with good set-ups, he won't give us anything offensively.

    I think Rush was just going to get lost in our current lineup. Looking at some of his boxscores from last year, he had some great games in the first half of the season. With George and Hill, and Lance developing though, I just don't see where he would get his minutes. At least with Amundson he would provide us some great low-post defense when our starter's are slacking. Guys like that inspire defense in their teammates.

    Amundson was a game-changer with the Suns in the playoffs. Every team was looking at him back then. A few years later, he is under the radar, but brings the same things to the table.

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    I like Lou...he's a good back up.

    I don't, however, like the fact that we only got Lou for Rush. We could have gotten more.

    We should have taken a shot at Amir Johnson
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