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    I'd probably do it. I don't like the idea of losing some of our financial flexibility throughout the season, but:

    (a) J.O. fills a need as an extra big man off the bench...

    (b) I still kind of like the guy and would like to see his career end here, and...

    (c) another pick would be nice, whether to keep or to add to a package to bring in a very good talent that may become available.

    I'm also not convinced the Clippers' pick would be in the 20s. They look good on paper, but so have a lot of other unproven teams who went on to disappoint.

    I'd do the deal.

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    Well, the Pacers need to spend the money anyway, why not get a draft pick with it
    No we don't, according to the Star at least (no link, I read several articles there today and it was in one of them). I read that we've made it to the minimum amount of the cap that we must spend.

    But even if we haven't, it doesn't mean we have to throw money at new guys. It only means we have to close the gap by giving more money to our current players at the end of the year.
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    Default Re: Jermaine O'Neal: Yes or No?

    I fear the Pacers will be very lucky to get 40 game out of Jeff Foster.

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    For all of jermaines faults: like not living up to the contract never being that true superstar..... Never once did he ever milk an injury or fake an injury IMO in fact him being reluctant to ever sit out to properly heal his injuries properly .... Killed his career..
    So for that 4 year stretch from 2000/01 through 2003/04 where he played most of the season he should've cut it back to 50 or fewer games played, like almost every other season he's had?
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    Sure, assuming we pocket the pick, then cut Jermaine.

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    Yes.
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    Since his Pacer days Jermaine has concentrated more on defense and rebounding instead of scoring in his limited playing time. Pretty much what the Pacers would want from a back up bigman.

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    I may be completely mistaken, but I swear that it was reported JO was retiring during this past offseason. Did anyone else hear this?

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    YES!.. But only if it is understood he would retire after this season..
    That could also be the P.R. spin to it..

    We need a backup big, and both JO and myself want to see him come back full circle and be able to retire as a Pacer...

    If he's cheap then by all means , a resounding yes... sign him for this season and then let him retire...

    We would then also have a higher pick ...

    Not really much risk IMO to be honest...

    All he would be is insurance for our bigs this season..
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    Sure, why not.

    At least he's a big guy and not a guard. It'd be nice to see him retire a Pacer, though I don't know what he can still bring on the court.
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    Jermaine did say when the rumored deal to Hornets for sign and trade for David West , he'd request to be released or he'd retire. He wants to play for a contender. Perhaps a return to Indy would change his mind about that his last season in Miami in 2009-10 he did average 13.6 points a game shooting 52% from the field im 70 games.

    So in a way Jermaine actually helped the Pacers get David West.

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    I am a bit torn on this idea. I would love to see JO retire a Pacer but I would wait and see if he is waived and try to get him at a cheaper price. The draft pick would be what would get me, if it was the higher draft pick heck yes.

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    I'd do it. I want to see him retire as a Pacer, and the upcoming draft is supposed to be quite good.
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    Default Re: Jermaine O'Neal: Yes or No?

    You'd be lucky if the Celtics would even kick in a 2nd rounder in my opinion.

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    As long as the offense doesn't come to a slow, grinding hault when he comes in, I'm all for it.

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    They might be solid third-string guys, but I wouldn't count on them for more than that. And with the money we have left, we ought to be able to pick up a decent backup. I strongly strongly strongly doubt Jeff is good for 66 games this season. And I like Jeff a lot.
    I don't think we are going to pick up a better defensive guy than Jeff and get the same bang for the buck for the mpg that we hope to give someone behind Roy. I don't expect Jeff to play all 66 games this year, but I don't expect anyone else on the roster to do that either. 66 games is still a lot; I don't think anyone played in 100% of the games last year, and that includes the young guys.

    I find it very encouraging that several teams were looking at Jeff as their potential backup center. As for JO, if he can log the minutes necessary for backing up Jeff backing up Roy (essentially Solo's minutes from last year) and can then retire a Pacer I'm all for it.

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    No we don't, according to the Star at least (no link, I read several articles there today and it was in one of them). I read that we've made it to the minimum amount of the cap that we must spend.

    But even if we haven't, it doesn't mean we have to throw money at new guys. It only means we have to close the gap by giving more money to our current players at the end of the year.
    Wouldn't hurt us, though. Backup big on a one-year contract, and a pick to go with it.
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    I doubt Ainge would want to relinquish a pick to us seeing as we took David West from the Celts.

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    I'd do it but more for the pick then for J.O.
    Giving the cap space for his short term deal wouldn't be an issue. We won't use that cap space anyway and when we need it he'll be gone.
    We'd be buying a pick for taking on J.O. 1 year contract. I'm not sure why the Celtics would do it though.
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    Larry Bird would rather suite up himself & play the 4 than have Jermaine back on the team. Let's not forget that there is no love lost between the two and Larry thinks less of Jermaine than Jermaine does of Larry.

    That being said from a basketball point of view getting a free first round pick and a player for nothing makes really good sense.

    But overall? No


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    So for that 4 year stretch from 2000/01 through 2003/04 where he played most of the season he should've cut it back to 50 or fewer games played, like almost every other season he's had?
    I am talking about when he injured his knee against Detroit in the playoffs then never took the summer off. He played for team USA then continued to play even though he had a torn ligament in his knee. And where did I say he needed to cut back? He always kept coming back early from his injuries.

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    If we can get a pick in this draft, yes you do that.

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    I'm just looking at teams that are likely to pay the luxury tax this year, and seeing if they have overpaid backup centers they might want to get rid of.

    The deal makes sense.
    It makes no sense whatsoever for the Celtics. They were willing to trade O'Neal to get David West, not on a salary dump and paying on the top of it. It'd leave the frontcourt way too thin.

    Even if they wanted to dump his salary, a much better solution would be to trade him by March 15 - with enough money to pay the rest of his salary - to a team with cap space/TPE. In that case, a 2nd rounder would probably be enough. If the purpose is merely to avoid larger luxury tax payments, that's the proper way of doing things. No need to trade them so soon.

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    We need a third backup PF/C. JO could do it. He wouldn't need to play much, so I think he'd be a great fit. Plus, he'd retire a Pacers and hopefully we get an additional pick.

    We could use our 2 picks to hopefully trade up in the draft or move them for a player we really need.
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    I don't think he is physically able to play in th NBA anymore.

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