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    There are other cheaper options than Crawford. Ranked in order of talent:

    Arron Afflalo

    Reggie Williams

    Marco Belinelli

    Willie Green

    Othyus Jeffers

    Steve Novak

    Michael Redd


    The Pacers biggest need is a spot shooter off the bench and all of the above mentioned SGs shoot the ball better than Crawford or Mayo and most of them would have no problem coming off the bench or being used in a spot shooter role.

    I think Belinelli would be a good fit and he probably wouldn't cost much either.
    DISAGREE. The Pacers biggest need is clutch scoring, or a guy who can get his own shot late in the game. None of the players you mention have that ability. Thats why we have been going after Mayo or Crawford. You don't go after spot shooters when we have a PG who can't see them open.
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    Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer
    Sounds like he doesn't really want to be here. He's going to be a one year rental.

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    I think we end up signing Crawford for something like 3 years/28 million. Just a prediction.
    If we wouldn't give West 3 years, we won't give Crawford that either.

    Yeah, I'm ok with sitting on the cap and seeing what we have in our current guards. I'm also ok with signing Crawford to a one year deal (which apparently is his preference) to see how he works out.

    No one else out there seems particularly tempting. Stuckey, Afflalo are RFA so won't be had on reasonable deals. Reggie Williams is a nice player but can he create his own shot?

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    DISAGREE. The Pacers biggest need is clutch scoring, or a guy who can get his own shot late in the game. None of the players you mention have that ability. Thats why we have been going after Mayo or Crawford. You don't go after spot shooters when we have a PG who can't see them open.
    Agree entirely.

    All those guys that were listed are spot up shooters. We have those guys already. We need a late game performer who isn't afraid to put up the big shot.

    The only guy who fits that bill is Crawford (Well, maybe Redd back in the day)
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    2/$10M? I don't really want Crawford, but that's very fair.

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    Surely he has better offers than that?

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    Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer

    I'm asking Marc if it's 10 per or 10 total (5 per).

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    I'd forgotten all about Reggie Williams. Go look at his size and production vs. Mayo's size and production and tell me which one was the high school phenom turned top-5 pick, and which one went undrafted.

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    I'd consider Reggie Williams since he's unrestricted now.
    Are you nuts? Reggie Williams is playing in Spain! With a $1 million buyout!

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    Sounds like he doesn't really want to be here. He's going to be a one year rental.
    Fine with me. He's a weapon off the bench we don't currently have. Either he decides he likes it here or we find someone else next summer. He and we will have flexibility. He's not so important that it matters much, IMO.

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    I would think is 10 per year.

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    Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2 mins Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
    Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer

    I'm asking Marc if it's 10 per or 10 total (5 per).
    Probably total. 2 years, $5m per sounds good to me.

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    Sounds like the Pacers really want cap space in 2014. Trying to sign Crawford to a 2-year, $10 million contract in addition to West. If he gets Crawford for that, that's great.
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    I would think is 10 per year.
    I'm actually thinking the opposite. He wouldn't still be considering the Knicks if it was between 10m here and 2.5m there. But 5 versus 2.5 is another story.

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    Hope we end up geting JC for two years, nothing more, nothing less. We'll have a good year this year, but we could really do some damage in '12-'13 if this group has a year to gel. We'd have a combination of vet leaders and young players hitting their stride. Then after that season, West and Crawford would expire and we could be players in the free agent market again.

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    I'm not a Crawford fan, but, provided it's 10 total, that's a great deal. I definitely don't want to sign him for 3 years, let alone 4, but I'd be just fine with that.
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    Good deal. If we sign Crawford, I want him to play hungry. If he's not happy at the offers he's getting this year, let him play himself to better offers with the Pacers.

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    This is fun. The information flows so freely, that I almost feel like part of the process.

    Additionally, the team is totally trying to enhance something that I'm already pretty excited about... so it feels like gravy at this point that we're considering MLE dollars for Crawford. If he accepts, score... if he moves on, we're still sitting just fine.

    Still wondering about lack of depth at 5. We at least need a fill in ala Solomon.

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    Guys that means 5 per... Larry wouldnt give Crawford 10 per year. He would figure out a way to get Mayo if he was going to have to pay that much.
    Were offering Crawford 5 per with an option to leave next summer if he wants. The Knicks are offering him 2.5 cuz thats all they have and I bet the Wolves are offering more than us but Crawford being an older guy I dont think he'll go there unless they are offering a boatload more than we are.
    I bet you he signs with us. It makes the most sense for him. Hes getting paid twice as much as he would in NY and he is going to be on a winning team (the Wolves will suck again this year so a little more money to play for them doesnt make sense for him I bet). Were also giving him the option to opt out over the summer if he wants to go play in a bigger market or if he can get more money elsewhere.

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    Default Re: So, Jamal Crawford, or the man behind curtain #3?

    2 years and 5mil is a great deal for a guy like Crawford, I was expecting him to get like 10mil or close to that.

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    get it done Bird!

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    Wow, 2 years 5 mill per? Larry brought his big boy pants to this offseason.

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    5mil/2yr is a fair deal for Crawford, even if he's not really my top choice. But he's the kind of guy Bird is looking for, who can create his own shot and score off the bench.

    On the other hand, are we really content with only PG as a possible backup to Danny? Shouldn't we consider signing someone who plays small forward for a living, so to say? Even as a third string, end of the bench kinda guy.

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    2 years for $10mil is a steal. He fits a huge need for this team and thats a cheap contract. This would be a very successful offseason if he signs for that deal.

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    I'd take a flyer on Reggie Williams. He can fill it up pretty fast, and shouldn't be too expensive.
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    Reggie Williams is the perfect pick-up IMO. He can create his own shot and is streaky as all hell. He had some really good games for GS last year when they had some injury problems.

    Under normal circumstances they'd never let him get away but the Deandre signing really hamstrung them and now he's available. Don't get me wrong he's not as good now nor will he ever have the upside someone like Mayo but for what we need it's perfect IMO.

    Cheap, Young, High energy guy who's a streaky shooter and can create his own shot? Err. Yes please.
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